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How long do you give Andy Burnham as PM?

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AndyBurnham2L · 16/07/2026 06:25

Build ‘em up.
Knock ‘em down.

Short honeymoon and then the grumbling will start. It will all be over for him by Christmas.

So, who’s next?

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Fiendishandfiery · 30/07/2026 17:22

I think he’s already on the way out. He’s already floating more tax rises, as he’s old school Labour, tax and spend. Soon as he does it, he’s utterly fucked, I mean he’s partially fucked now, but it will be dead man walking in the green mile, over before it began when he takes even more from the working person,

AndyBurnham2L · 30/07/2026 17:32

Fiendishandfiery · 30/07/2026 17:22

I think he’s already on the way out. He’s already floating more tax rises, as he’s old school Labour, tax and spend. Soon as he does it, he’s utterly fucked, I mean he’s partially fucked now, but it will be dead man walking in the green mile, over before it began when he takes even more from the working person,

Will no one think of the impressionist political satirists aka Rory Bremner and Matt Forde? Thoughts and prayers for their wasted hours mastering the perfect accent and jokes.

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HarshbutTrue2 · 30/07/2026 19:05

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2026 12:11

There has also been a drop of 70,000 children in state schools over the same period, despite 33,000 fewer private school pupils who might have moved to the state sector. The reason for this is falling birth rates. I say might because a proportion of those private school pupils will have finished their education. It’s not compelling anyway at roughly 7%.

I keep talking about falling birth rates. Could you answer my question?
Why are we building millions and millions of houses?
According to me, a falling birth rate =less people= less housing demand.

The houses being built near me are allegedly for these poor first time buyers who can't afford a home. And yet, they are 5 bedroom houses with a study for wfh. I smell a rat somewhere.

If there are less people in secondary education, there will be less people coming into the housing market in 12 years time. Don't forget, the boomers are dying off.

I haven't seen how the immigration figures are expected to affect the housing market. Government seems reluctant to release those figures.

I also think demographics need to be considered. Lots of divorcees move to smaller homes. There are more single people than in the past. There is a need for smaller houses, as well as the dream 5 bedroom 3 bathroom ones.

TemperanceWest · 30/07/2026 19:14

We are not building "millions and millions" of houses @HarshbutTrue2 . If we were, we wouldn't have a housing shortage.

Labour has pledged to build 1.5 million houses over 5 years. The birthrate might be falling and baby boomers will begin to die off but that doesn't change the fact that at the present time we need more housing.

What is the rat you think you smell?

HarshbutTrue2 · 30/07/2026 19:15

BrandiedAromatics · 30/07/2026 11:17

Interesting - is it a grammar school? I thought our local one still did but it has replaced it with Civilizations (not sure what that constitutes).

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Bridget banned the teaching of Latin in state schools. She is a spiteful little bitch.

Apparently, the kids who did it were very able and did well in the subject. Bridget pulled the funding for Latin teachers, so I suppose the last cohort are just heading towards their gcses. Future cohorts will not have the opportunity. If that is not a spiteful, nasty, dumbing down of education, tell me what is. God forbid that a Labour government would let kids study an 'elite' subject.

I think civilisations is something like classical studies. Ancient Greeks and Romans.

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 19:17

HarshbutTrue2 · 30/07/2026 19:15

Bridget banned the teaching of Latin in state schools. She is a spiteful little bitch.

Apparently, the kids who did it were very able and did well in the subject. Bridget pulled the funding for Latin teachers, so I suppose the last cohort are just heading towards their gcses. Future cohorts will not have the opportunity. If that is not a spiteful, nasty, dumbing down of education, tell me what is. God forbid that a Labour government would let kids study an 'elite' subject.

I think civilisations is something like classical studies. Ancient Greeks and Romans.

She didn't ban it Confused

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 19:44

I think there's a huge issue with modern foreign languages being on the decline. I would be inclined to tackle that first rather than Latin.

Yellowshirt · 30/07/2026 20:07

TemperanceWest · 30/07/2026 19:14

We are not building "millions and millions" of houses @HarshbutTrue2 . If we were, we wouldn't have a housing shortage.

Labour has pledged to build 1.5 million houses over 5 years. The birthrate might be falling and baby boomers will begin to die off but that doesn't change the fact that at the present time we need more housing.

What is the rat you think you smell?

They dont need to throw these 2nd rate expensive homes up all over the country causing absolute chaos.

We don't and will never have the infrastructure. They just need to
close the borders.

They should then prioritise British people including helping youngsters getting jobs.

Until they stop wasting tax payers money people should no longer be paying taxes and should be offered a rebate.

Burnham will be gone shortly.

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 20:15

Make taxes voluntary for everyone?

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2026 20:21

Yellowshirt · 30/07/2026 20:07

They dont need to throw these 2nd rate expensive homes up all over the country causing absolute chaos.

We don't and will never have the infrastructure. They just need to
close the borders.

They should then prioritise British people including helping youngsters getting jobs.

Until they stop wasting tax payers money people should no longer be paying taxes and should be offered a rebate.

Burnham will be gone shortly.

92% of UK land mass is undeveloped. There’s plenty of room to build houses.

https://fullfact.org/economy/has-92-country-not-been-built/

Has 92% of the country not been built on? – Full Fact

Estimates range between 88% and 99.9%. It also depends on if we include gardens and “green urban” areas.

https://fullfact.org/economy/has-92-country-not-been-built/

TemperanceWest · 30/07/2026 20:21

Yellowshirt · 30/07/2026 20:07

They dont need to throw these 2nd rate expensive homes up all over the country causing absolute chaos.

We don't and will never have the infrastructure. They just need to
close the borders.

They should then prioritise British people including helping youngsters getting jobs.

Until they stop wasting tax payers money people should no longer be paying taxes and should be offered a rebate.

Burnham will be gone shortly.

If the borders were shut tomorrow we would still need more homes built. I agree with you that some of the standards on homes being built need upping.

By which mechanism will Burnham "be gone shortly"? Labour knows getting rid of another leader won't go down well. And right now there is no need.

BrandiedAromatics · 30/07/2026 20:42

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 19:17

She didn't ban it Confused

@HarshbutTrue2 Apparently, the kids who did it were very able and did well in the subject. Bridget pulled the funding for Latin teachers, so I suppose the last cohort are just heading towards their gcses. Future cohorts will not have the opportunity.

I think civilisations is something like classical studies. Ancient Greeks and Romans.

I have said that I think it is regrettable. In my own experience those that can tackle Latin do well other languages. It is foundational to many of our European languages but also, because of the discipline of learning grammar, helps with confidence in Greek, Hebrew, Mandarin, etc.

It is strange to me that we are giving fewer opportunities and not more.

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 20:53

BrandiedAromatics · 30/07/2026 20:42

@HarshbutTrue2 Apparently, the kids who did it were very able and did well in the subject. Bridget pulled the funding for Latin teachers, so I suppose the last cohort are just heading towards their gcses. Future cohorts will not have the opportunity.

I think civilisations is something like classical studies. Ancient Greeks and Romans.

I have said that I think it is regrettable. In my own experience those that can tackle Latin do well other languages. It is foundational to many of our European languages but also, because of the discipline of learning grammar, helps with confidence in Greek, Hebrew, Mandarin, etc.

It is strange to me that we are giving fewer opportunities and not more.

To give more opportunities, the government needs funding.

Certain posters would rather not see their taxes go to state schools.

BrandiedAromatics · 30/07/2026 20:59

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 20:53

To give more opportunities, the government needs funding.

Certain posters would rather not see their taxes go to state schools.

Yes, I didn't know about the Latin so I appreciate being informed. I do not buy into the 'spiteful' rhetoric (and couldn't even copy that part from the post) - it is about funding, as you say. I still think it's a loss - I know people who benefitted hugely from the opportunity.

HarshbutTrue2 · 30/07/2026 21:03

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 19:44

I think there's a huge issue with modern foreign languages being on the decline. I would be inclined to tackle that first rather than Latin.

If you learn Latin you can easily pick up other languages, such as Italian, Spanish, French.

At my school, everyone did French, some did French and German, the best kids did Latin and French.

I know a little Latin. It's useful for kids who want to go into medicine and the law. More importantly, it stretches the more able kids. This government doesn't want to stretch clever kids. They don't want good education. They want to drag everyone down.

I give Burnham 2 years. He is in a honeymoon period. Once even more taxes kick in he will be unpopular. The Labour party can't get rid of him. The electorate wouldn't stand for it.

There will be an election. All those shitty backbenchers who got rid of starmer will lose their seats. I think a labour lib dem coalition is a distinct possibility. He is already cosying up to ed davey.

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2026 21:06

Equally if you can speak Italian or Spanish you can usually decipher Latin. It’s a two way street. We appear to be able to train doctors and lawyers without teaching them Latin in school, it must be a miracle.

BrandiedAromatics · 30/07/2026 21:17

Does Burnham, even now, harbour a sense of injustice that his desired pathway in life forced him to live somewhere other than where he was born?

And now for something completely different - this is amusing:

Andy Burnham has lots to say about the injustice of being at Cambridge**

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 21:24

BrandiedAromatics · 30/07/2026 20:59

Yes, I didn't know about the Latin so I appreciate being informed. I do not buy into the 'spiteful' rhetoric (and couldn't even copy that part from the post) - it is about funding, as you say. I still think it's a loss - I know people who benefitted hugely from the opportunity.

I only know one person who did latin and he went to grammar school

Yellowshirt · 30/07/2026 21:38

TemperanceWest · 30/07/2026 20:21

If the borders were shut tomorrow we would still need more homes built. I agree with you that some of the standards on homes being built need upping.

By which mechanism will Burnham "be gone shortly"? Labour knows getting rid of another leader won't go down well. And right now there is no need.

Hopefully they call a general election after the autumn budget .
Enough time though for Labour to let another few thousand immigrants in. Approximately 1000 a week isn't it?

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2026 21:42

Yellowshirt · 30/07/2026 21:38

Hopefully they call a general election after the autumn budget .
Enough time though for Labour to let another few thousand immigrants in. Approximately 1000 a week isn't it?

It’s considerably fewer than the Tories let in. We have the lowest net migration since the 1970s. The chances of a GE before 2029 are infinitesimal.

BrandiedAromatics · 30/07/2026 21:47

Yellowshirt · 30/07/2026 21:38

Hopefully they call a general election after the autumn budget .
Enough time though for Labour to let another few thousand immigrants in. Approximately 1000 a week isn't it?

In Starmer's last week, w/e 19/07/26 = 0 migrants
Since Burnham 1,659 migrants

TemperanceWest · 30/07/2026 22:15

Yellowshirt · 30/07/2026 21:38

Hopefully they call a general election after the autumn budget .
Enough time though for Labour to let another few thousand immigrants in. Approximately 1000 a week isn't it?

Why would Burnham call a GE? He has no reason to.

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 22:23

BrandiedAromatics · 30/07/2026 21:47

In Starmer's last week, w/e 19/07/26 = 0 migrants
Since Burnham 1,659 migrants

Migrants or asylum seekers?