Help protect children from gaming harms.

Take our survey

Please or to access all these features

Politics

How long do you give Andy Burnham as PM?

900 replies

AndyBurnham2L · 16/07/2026 06:25

Build ‘em up.
Knock ‘em down.

Short honeymoon and then the grumbling will start. It will all be over for him by Christmas.

So, who’s next?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
22
BIossomtoes · 30/07/2026 12:11

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 12:01

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/school-pupils-and-their-characteristics/2025-26#dataBlock-8fe54834-8018-4cea-8c7f-e2f30ab77dee-tables

24/25 - 593,486
25/26 - 582,477
26/27 - 560,255

A drop of 33k since VAT introduced. This is for England only, and does not include Wales, Scotland and NI.

There has also been a drop of 70,000 children in state schools over the same period, despite 33,000 fewer private school pupils who might have moved to the state sector. The reason for this is falling birth rates. I say might because a proportion of those private school pupils will have finished their education. It’s not compelling anyway at roughly 7%.

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 12:14

That is the same information as the FT article Confused

You also got your years wrong

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 12:18

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2026 12:11

There has also been a drop of 70,000 children in state schools over the same period, despite 33,000 fewer private school pupils who might have moved to the state sector. The reason for this is falling birth rates. I say might because a proportion of those private school pupils will have finished their education. It’s not compelling anyway at roughly 7%.

33k from private is surely a bigger proportion than 70k from state.

Falling births is a factor. I agree. To be frank I’d like a full analysis of VAT raised, versus cost to state schools for the extra admissions, as well as all the wider factors. A proper impact analysis. I suspect we will see some further data compiled and presented to the Supreme Court in December.

Binnyforthewin · 30/07/2026 12:29

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 12:18

33k from private is surely a bigger proportion than 70k from state.

Falling births is a factor. I agree. To be frank I’d like a full analysis of VAT raised, versus cost to state schools for the extra admissions, as well as all the wider factors. A proper impact analysis. I suspect we will see some further data compiled and presented to the Supreme Court in December.

Labour won't release that analysis! It was enough to get them to give Phillipson her marching orders.

BrandiedAromatics · 30/07/2026 12:32

Binnyforthewin · 30/07/2026 12:29

Labour won't release that analysis! It was enough to get them to give Phillipson her marching orders.

There has been some admissions date released:

VAT on private school fees has not caused pupil exodus, says Bridget Phillipson | School admissions | The Guardian

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 12:38

I was a feckless single mum on tax credits and state educated DD got a perfect set of GCSEs and an Oxford offer (waiting anxiously for A Level results).

TemperanceWest · 30/07/2026 12:49

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 12:38

I was a feckless single mum on tax credits and state educated DD got a perfect set of GCSEs and an Oxford offer (waiting anxiously for A Level results).

That is brilliant, well done to both of you. I hope your DD gets the results she needs ❤️

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 13:22

TemperanceWest · 30/07/2026 12:49

That is brilliant, well done to both of you. I hope your DD gets the results she needs ❤️

Thank you! It's very nerve racking. She's hoping to do Law with Law in Europe.

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2026 13:26

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 13:22

Thank you! It's very nerve racking. She's hoping to do Law with Law in Europe.

Do let us know. I love a good success story.

Greenleavesandsunshine · 30/07/2026 14:25

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 12:38

I was a feckless single mum on tax credits and state educated DD got a perfect set of GCSEs and an Oxford offer (waiting anxiously for A Level results).

I do love it when a feckless single mum manages to pull off a success story. Well done to both of you, you do yourselves and the state sector credit. You must be so proud.

LuckyHazelFox · 30/07/2026 14:35

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 12:38

I was a feckless single mum on tax credits and state educated DD got a perfect set of GCSEs and an Oxford offer (waiting anxiously for A Level results).

Good luck. Can't believe that's come round again so soon.

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 14:46

Thank you. I'm incredibly proud and her state school teachers have been beyond amazing.

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 15:00

Congratulations. However one swallow does not make a summer.

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 15:02

You sound envious

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 15:06

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 15:02

You sound envious

Ha ha, no. University is such a huge cost now I’m ambivalent about my kids going. Perhaps the degree apprenticeship route. Getting an employer to pay. It depends what they want to do and they are too young to have formed a strong view yet.

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 15:10

I would have thought the cost wouldn't be that much for you? It's a huge sacrifice for me. My income has increased over the years so she will get minimum loan.

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 15:13

Swap the caviar for lentils.

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 15:13

I guess that's what the welfare system is for. I'm a huge advocate for it and I think we can judge a society by how it cares for its most vulnerable. It helped me when I needed it and the state education system has been incredible.

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 15:16

We do have child savings accounts to cover the costs. So they wouldn’t get burdened by large debt. But if they chose to use that money to start a business, or travel, or deposit for a house; that’s up to them.

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 15:18

You're in a great position. That's wonderful.

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 15:24

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 15:18

You're in a great position. That's wonderful.

Thanks. 16 years of savings!!

hedgeknight · 30/07/2026 15:28

You are in a very fortunate position which makes your extreme bitterness towards welfare baffling

The safety net will be there for you too in case you need it,

TemperanceWest · 30/07/2026 15:30

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 15:00

Congratulations. However one swallow does not make a summer.

Leaving it at "congratulations" would have been far more gracious.

Puley · 30/07/2026 15:36

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 15:16

We do have child savings accounts to cover the costs. So they wouldn’t get burdened by large debt. But if they chose to use that money to start a business, or travel, or deposit for a house; that’s up to them.

Plenty of money to pay the VAT then.

Fatsnowflake · 30/07/2026 16:17

PinkFruitbat · 30/07/2026 15:24

Thanks. 16 years of savings!!

Well done you!