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How long do you give Andy Burnham as PM?

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AndyBurnham2L · 16/07/2026 06:25

Build ‘em up.
Knock ‘em down.

Short honeymoon and then the grumbling will start. It will all be over for him by Christmas.

So, who’s next?

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Squirrelsarecleverbastards · 29/07/2026 20:13

No, they weren’t.

One of my children was privately educated after their state school
wasn’t able to do anything about bullying.

We were able to manage back them, I would nor be able to do it now.

Don’t talk to me about things you know nothing about, apart from ideological preaching.

Greenleavesandsunshine · 29/07/2026 20:13

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:04

Well it’s an extra £7500 in VAT per child; so that’s £15k a year I need to find. I begrudge that; and have needed to sacrifice quite a bit to afford this. But over 40 thousand kids have been forced to leave their schools, 125 have closed. The policy was rushed in, and caused great harm. All because of the spiteful jealousy and bitterness at the heart of Labour. The Supreme Court rules on this in December. Bring it on.

If the VAT at 20% is £7,500 does that mean the original net price was £37,500 ish?
You can pay £45,000 in school fees? £90,000 in total and you want sympathy?

And with what must be a considerable income you don’t have any compassion for children born into poverty - this is a wind up isn’t it? No one could lack this much self awareness?

BrandiedAromatics · 29/07/2026 20:13

When I have blamed Cameron for the Brexit referendum, on another thread, posters pipe up that it was in the manifesto.

The VAT on fees was clearly in the Labour manifesto....

Puley · 29/07/2026 20:13

Squirrelsarecleverbastards · 29/07/2026 20:02

People choose to pay for different things.

Some pay for make up and clothes, others for their children. I know which one I value.

Yes, and people pay tax on clothes and makeup without a fuss.

Puley · 29/07/2026 20:15

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:04

Well it’s an extra £7500 in VAT per child; so that’s £15k a year I need to find. I begrudge that; and have needed to sacrifice quite a bit to afford this. But over 40 thousand kids have been forced to leave their schools, 125 have closed. The policy was rushed in, and caused great harm. All because of the spiteful jealousy and bitterness at the heart of Labour. The Supreme Court rules on this in December. Bring it on.

I begrudge paying it on my wine. But I still have to pay it. Nobody wants to pay tax, but if you choose to buy a luxury then you have to pay tax.

Puley · 29/07/2026 20:17

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:08

Virtually every other country recognises the NET public good that comes from private schools. Causing less demand, less pressure, and less use of public funds. In Germany you get a tax credit if you pay for private schools. Here you pay extra tax. The policy is pure spite.

And New Zealand taxes it. It really doesn’t matter what other countries do.

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:17

hedgeknight · 29/07/2026 20:11

Would you choose private if everyone could afford it?

That’s impossible to imagine. It means millions of non working parents and 16hr McJob parents turning into high functioning productive well paid workers. This would be like turning our economy into Switzerland. Producing high value, high quality outputs. We have a poundland economy. I just can’t see how this can happen. Not without political economic maturity, a social conscious founded in education and hard work, and a strategy vision business and investors can support. 100% Labour will deliver none of that.

Puley · 29/07/2026 20:18

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:10

I can’t afford it so let’s punish those who can.

The UK is such a bitter and resentful country.

If you can afford to pay for it, then crack on. What is the big deal? That you simply don’t want to pay tax?

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:20

Puley · 29/07/2026 20:15

I begrudge paying it on my wine. But I still have to pay it. Nobody wants to pay tax, but if you choose to buy a luxury then you have to pay tax.

VAT is not a luxury tax, which is why the caviar you might enjoy with your wine is VAT free.

BIossomtoes · 29/07/2026 20:20

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:17

That’s impossible to imagine. It means millions of non working parents and 16hr McJob parents turning into high functioning productive well paid workers. This would be like turning our economy into Switzerland. Producing high value, high quality outputs. We have a poundland economy. I just can’t see how this can happen. Not without political economic maturity, a social conscious founded in education and hard work, and a strategy vision business and investors can support. 100% Labour will deliver none of that.

No government of any colour has delivered it. Blair was the closest we got and Cameron and Osborne slashed and burnt the lot.

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:21

Puley · 29/07/2026 20:17

And New Zealand taxes it. It really doesn’t matter what other countries do.

New Zealand pays private schools a per pupil premium to offset some of the cost. That would be like the LA paying my private school the money they would pay if I used state schools. Around £15k a year. That sounds good.

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:23

Puley · 29/07/2026 20:18

If you can afford to pay for it, then crack on. What is the big deal? That you simply don’t want to pay tax?

I already pay more than enough tax thanks.

TemperanceWest · 29/07/2026 20:26

BrandiedAromatics · 29/07/2026 19:40

Well, this rather confused elderly man represents me - bless him:

UK Prime Minister Andy Burnham questioned by elderly man. #BBCNews

Burnham's good-natured warmth and kindness towards the man is lovely.

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:26

BIossomtoes · 29/07/2026 20:20

No government of any colour has delivered it. Blair was the closest we got and Cameron and Osborne slashed and burnt the lot.

It’s not just about politicians. It needs a purposeful civil service, local government. But crucially it needs a population willing to work hard. That just doesn’t exist. Millions milk the benefits system because it’s easy, and far too generous. No the only way is to strip benefits away, and force people towards self sufficiency and free market capitalism.

BrandiedAromatics · 29/07/2026 20:28

TemperanceWest · 29/07/2026 20:26

Burnham's good-natured warmth and kindness towards the man is lovely.

I understand that his dad has dementia, so he understands. The elderly man is my candidate!

TemperanceWest · 29/07/2026 20:31

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:17

That’s impossible to imagine. It means millions of non working parents and 16hr McJob parents turning into high functioning productive well paid workers. This would be like turning our economy into Switzerland. Producing high value, high quality outputs. We have a poundland economy. I just can’t see how this can happen. Not without political economic maturity, a social conscious founded in education and hard work, and a strategy vision business and investors can support. 100% Labour will deliver none of that.

I find your contempt towards fellow human beings rather sad. I hope you are not as unhappy as your posts make you sound 💐

hedgeknight · 29/07/2026 20:33

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:17

That’s impossible to imagine. It means millions of non working parents and 16hr McJob parents turning into high functioning productive well paid workers. This would be like turning our economy into Switzerland. Producing high value, high quality outputs. We have a poundland economy. I just can’t see how this can happen. Not without political economic maturity, a social conscious founded in education and hard work, and a strategy vision business and investors can support. 100% Labour will deliver none of that.

That's a no then. You bought privilege. You'd like to keep it that way.

Removed from the feckless, lazy, poundshop ones.

BrandiedAromatics · 29/07/2026 20:38

Squirrelsarecleverbastards · 29/07/2026 20:13

No, they weren’t.

One of my children was privately educated after their state school
wasn’t able to do anything about bullying.

We were able to manage back them, I would nor be able to do it now.

Don’t talk to me about things you know nothing about, apart from ideological preaching.

I know what that is like - I'm very sorry - I managed to get the school to work with me, eventually.

I don't buy this about the government being spiteful about the VAT. It simply doesn't affect that many people. To me, it was an anachronism and it was about time it was dealt with - like the hereditary peers.

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:44

BrandiedAromatics · 29/07/2026 20:38

I know what that is like - I'm very sorry - I managed to get the school to work with me, eventually.

I don't buy this about the government being spiteful about the VAT. It simply doesn't affect that many people. To me, it was an anachronism and it was about time it was dealt with - like the hereditary peers.

Presumably you’d like to close all private schools?

BIossomtoes · 29/07/2026 20:48

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:44

Presumably you’d like to close all private schools?

Absolutely I would. I don’t want it to be possible to buy privilege.

BrandiedAromatics · 29/07/2026 20:51

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:44

Presumably you’d like to close all private schools?

I've never thought of it - it is very unlikely that parents of most attending the top public schools would even notice this slight difference.

PinkFruitbat · 29/07/2026 20:52

BIossomtoes · 29/07/2026 20:48

Absolutely I would. I don’t want it to be possible to buy privilege.

Thank God it is a protected right under the ECHR then!

My children can experience a broader and deeper learning journey, in a beautiful setting, in small classes, with other like minded hard working pupils and inspiring teachers, fantastic facilities clubs and other social events and international trips, a healthy sporting curriculum with school competitions and matches, and most importantly unbiased by state ideology.

How long do you give Andy Burnham as PM?
BIossomtoes · 29/07/2026 20:54

Privilege is a protected right? I don’t think so.

hedgeknight · 29/07/2026 20:54

The right to education is protected

State schools offer that.

BIossomtoes · 29/07/2026 20:55

I love the copy and paste from the school brochure!