How long do you give Andy Burnham as PM?

[AndyBurnham2L]

Build ‘em up.
Knock ‘em down.

Short honeymoon and then the grumbling will start. It will all be over for him by Christmas.

So, who’s next?

With Europe burning it would be a good time to promote Net Zero policies.

There is a lot to address patience is required, it's only 5 days later.

Devolving greater financial power to local authorities is a recipe for disaster.

Real life example:

My local council has recently spent £16million on new shiny, glass, state of the art council offices (the old ones were perfectly fine) positioned directly opposite the derelict shell of a former large store AND a growing collection of homeless people’s tents - known locally as ‘tent city’.

Council tax well spent - I think NOT😡

The bus companies are compensated for the lowering of the price cap by the Taxpayer.

Andy "forgot" to point out this minor detail...

So social care might be his first biggie....

Do politicians realise yet that raising the retirement age was responsible for we working class women (usually women) no longer being available to care for their elderly family, or their grandchildren.

So the government have to chuck money at it directly, rather than chucking money at women to let them retire "early".

How about a "national service in care" ... NEETs first. Solve a couple of issues then.

I am really NOT serious about this, (national service etc) but overheard a conversation at the pub where three loud blokes were fervently putting the world to rights, the way they do.

Those 3 loud blokes wouldn’t be offering care themselves 🤣

“Obviously Andy was always going to bring his own people in,” one Starmer ally said, “but the fact that he kept in everyone who called for Keir to go and ousted everyone who didn’t feels very deliberate.” (The Guardian, 24 July 2026)

Indeed, the nearest the chancellor has got to discussing spending plans was in a public discussion of the relative merits of pork scratchings and various other bar snacks with the prime minister during a photo op in a pub. He has been notably, and disappointingly, silent on the issue he left the government on.

John Healey had one clear demand as defence secretary

I'm not sure anyone would expect anything else. All Prime Ministers reward their allies with jobs.

Absolutely utter rubbish, Starmer has a long list of success.
Increasing national minimum wage
Brought passenger railway services back onto public ownership
Brought British Steel back into public ownership
Increased send support
Improved EU and UK relations
Scrapped two children benefit cap
Improved renters rights
Support for the Ukraine
India trade deal
National wealth fund
Reduced NHS waiting lists

None of this was resolved by the previous Tory party....so please stop shouting daily mail tripe.

Yet he was ousted by his party.

Loyalty seems in short supply in politics.

And you don't think trump, Putin and Israel had any influence on this.

I think you will find there's an awful lot of nasty politics being played out at the moment.

The sooner Trump is gone the better and we can start rebuilding the world that plays by some rules rather than having a Putin apologist in the white house, a war criminal in Israel and a dictator in Russia.

I try to stay away from conspiracy theories.

As much as I don’t like Trump, he has nothing to gain from AB being PM.

He didn't want Carney in Canada and looks at what is happening....

He didn't like Starmer, I think you'll find the Americans have a lot of control over our government. Unfortunately the British didn't listen to Obama and chose Brexit and that has left us very vulnerable.

He doesn't like Burnham. Wasn't he joking that they had Trump and we had Trumpton, with our little Mayor? Although that might have been parody account..

Second hand embarrassment watching him talk to Zelensky and needing to refer to his script every five seconds.

He’ll like Burnham even less.

It was very stilted and unconvincing. Zelensky is very professional though, he needs to be, but he must think we're all Monster Raving Loonies!

Brexit was absolutely a mistake, but Obama did not help.
He only exacerbated the nationalistic tendencies by wading in.

Russian influence/interference is not a conspiracy theory

Trump is meddling in UK politics as is Musk

I completely agree, this is a war on our way if life and there are British people who seem to enjoy it. It's funny that this group call themselves patriots but from my perspective they are traitors selling their country out to foreign control over an ideology.

My grandad who fought in the second world war would be ashamed .

Despite being a convicted Fraudster I find it very hard to believe that Haigh has been agitating due to being a Russia agent. I find it much easier to believe that Starmers downfall was a traditional bit of backstabbing for personal ambition.

I said Russian influence is not a conspiracy theory but maybe it is easy to misinterpreted that.

Starmer was targeted by Russia, house fire and online rumours are facts.

I think it is worth going back to the original post, in the quote history, of the discussion above. Starmer's family, including a young niece, had a terrifying experience because of the arsonists paid for by Russians.

It is clearly not either or when it comes to plots and undermining the previous PM.

The Russians are certainly targeting the UK, politics, banking, commerce, everything.

They’re not party political: they try to destabilise Tory governments as well as Labour, and they’d destabilise Reform, whatever Farage might think.

But the very good point the PP was making is that Labour MPs can hardly blame Russia for them destroying Starmer. And Starmer can hardly blame Russia for freebies, u-turns, the Chagos debacle, appointing Mandelson, pissing on Olly Robbins, etc etc.