Rupert Lowe bemoans the handgun ban due to 'one murder' in Dunblane

[noblegiraffe]

https://x.com/rewildscotland/status/2075217666600497205?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g (video)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj3gdj300lyo (article for those not on twitter)

His poor dad had to lock his guns away as a consequence.

Is 'bring back school shootings' a Restore policy?

You seem unable to work out what the word "feel" means. It isn't actually acceptable to make up things people are going to say before they say it. Please don't do that that to me again. By all means comment on any statements I actually make, politely if you can manage that.

You can't 'feel' the murder rate has gone up. That's nonsense. It's down. That is a fact. I don't need to be polite about your feelings when they are based on no substance at all. Perhaps if you could accept the facts, we could talk.

The guy is just a typical old fashioned Tory, as if we don't have enough problems. An MP so insensitive that he uses Dunblane as a pawn.

British people don't want guns and we certainly don't want hand guns.

I don't think the old fashioned Tories would have done this.

The old school Tories wouldn’t have welcomed the far right. Lowe and Musk are not Tories.
Neo-fascist leaders back Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain and not Reform

https://www.thetimes.com/article/6fdbc7d1-19c8-4ffa-8985-0dd49f654a54?shareToken=ebeae751000c4f6dea6560ee819b6e0e

They did at the time.

Did ‘they’, en bloc? All of ‘them’?

Obviously I don't mean all of them errol but plenty did - I was reacitng to nobles suggestion that Tories didn't react like Lowe at the time : I think that is where the generalising lies. Major really had to battle to get some of his party in line -and actually he himself needed some persuasion. I seem to remember it was only when he visited that he was really hit by the situation . Reform didn't exist then but we all know there was a wing way back in Thatcher's time of the party that was very reactionary, very pro hunting and guns and so on. Lowe would have been one of them. You only need to look at the parliamentary vote to see plenty , mainly form the Tory benches, opposed the ban and the first rection to the Cullen Report was very weak.

I remeber it extremely well. There were a lot of very insensitive things said akin to what Lowe said at the time. Michael Howard for example was pretty vociferous.

I am not being anti Tory. I was the first to mention Michael Forsyth upthread. But there has always been a hard wing. That's how we got to Brexit.

Maybe my understanding of 'old school Tory' was faulty.

There is a bit of romanticising of the political reaction to Dunblane here.

Here is one (sounding remarkably similar to a PP must say...). This was in 2004.

Mr Mercer made the comments at a fringe meeting at the Tories' spring conference at the weekend. He was quoted as saying that banning handguns because people got shot was like banning cars because people were killed in road accidents.
The Daily Record yesterday quoted Mr Mercer as telling the meeting that the handgun ban had been a "kneejerk reaction".
"It's exactly the same argument that I would deploy about joyriding. It is clearly highly undesirable that people get killed on the roads by motor cars. But we don't ban motor cars. People need to learn how to drive a motor car safely and have respect for it."
The paper then quoted Mr Mercer as saying: "It is so much more sensible to train children to handle and have a respect for weapons than to simply ban them. It is so shortsighted."

And here is an article about 'old school Tory' backbenchers

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/gunban-rebels-spurn-howard-s-extra-cash-offer-1352062.html

My memory of Howard is possibly a bit out. But I know he argued about the extent of the ban and was seen to worry most about gun owners and enthusiasts. There was a gun lobby - just not as powerful as the NRA.

Unfortunately they did, they were awful. Can you remember the mad cow disease outbreak. The comments from the Tories were shocking.

They want a return to the old order where class rules and they rule the proles.

I think there is a bit of a myth that old fashioned Tories were moderate , gentle, country squire types. For all your Ken Clarkes , you had your Redwoods and Wintertons. Exactly the types who now find their homes in Reform who, after all, are mainly ex Tories who found the Tories too moderate, it seems. And then your Lowes who was formerly a hard right Tory with plenty of happy bedfellows.

Yes, that is a fair point. John Major certainly had to battle many within his party.