Why would Reform voters accept that they will scrap the NHS?

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Even when you present them with pretty undeniable proof they wants to do it they just say "lefty propaganda, he said he won't" - well of course he says he won't it would cost him the election.

Yes. The NHS isn’t the same cost for everyone.

I actually like Reforms ideas on health care but I don’t believe it’s achievable.
Geting rid of unnecessary management, changes staff contracts working hours , cutting down on waiting lists.
It’s all rather wishy washy. If it was that simple , surely it would have been done by now ?

Absolutely it's wishy washy with no details on where the money is coming from. But to be fair that's the same for all political parties, except of course for the batshit Green's funding plan of simply printing more money (now what could possibly go wrong with that!).

It's a real shame.

People sometimes don't have a choice but to go to private care. When my husband had severe back pain his GP wouldn't even refer him for a scan. The only thing the GP would do was put him on an 11 month waiting list for physiotherapy. At this point my husband had already lost his business because he couldn't work. Luckily I had a job and had the foresight to put him on my health insurance.

We would have absolutely paid higher taxes.

People just want a better health service, that's the issue

Perhaps if people had to pay a bit, they might make more of an effort to look after themselves

Absolutely.
The problem is some people pay a lot more than others , yet this does not reflect in the care they receive.
Dh has been on a waiting list for years yet he pays into the system as he works full time ( dispite being in considerable pain.) Neither of us receive any kind of benefit and we will both have to work until 67 or almost 67.
Then there are those who have not paid into the costs and those who paid very little into the system.
I also feel this way about council tax.
Stop giving reductions - not talking about the single person discount but the other discounts non working people get, and I see this on a very regular basis.
Everyone should pay and they simply don’t at the moment.

Why should the working population, who by definition have to work to survive, keep funding those at the top and bottom who let’s face it, are just as well off if not better?

But having worse healthcare in the sticks isn’t a health system thing - it’s just the same here under the NHS! You have to travel.

Nor is it the same standard of treatment for everyone - it’s not a ‘love all, serve all idyll’.

I wonder what all the NHS physios I know are actually doing all day then. You're wrong, mate.

I don't think you understand how the commissioning of physio services works.

I didn’t have to pay a penny for the physio that cured my frozen shoulder.

If we paid 12% gdp into nhs we’d have a bloody good system! We spend 8-9% of gdp on nhs

I read posts like this on a regular basis but the reality is far different. The NHS is probably too the best healthcare system in the world. It saves countless lives and it's available for free when you need it.... regardless of pre existing conditions or how much money you have.

You can see a doctor the same day, get referred for urgent treatment in less than two weeks. Get life saving drugs for less than 20 quid.

It’s all very well saying ‘people will just have to pay for insurance’. People have no idea how awful and financially crippling that will be. My children both have two life threatening conditions. I have one. How on Earth am I supposed to afford insurance for that? I’ve worked hard my whole life, paying my taxes . People never think bad things or health issues will affect them. My situation is proof that it can happen to anyone. The NHS is mismanaged, but there’s an awful lot that works well. I can say that as someone who has had some very positive experiences. Some things need fixing, but it’s ridiculous to scrap it altogether.

I won’t be scrapped . Please can people stop saying this .

It will if Farage has his way.

Just because you keep repeating a lie it doesn't make it true.

In my previous post I listed the Reform Healthcare policy and it categorically states "Under a Reform UK Government, the NHS will remain free at the point of use, funded by general taxation. "

Now of course you may believe they are lying but that accusation can be levelled at any political party.

Equally I can't see where Reform is going to get the money to pay for their promises but again that accusation can be levelled at all political parties. With the exception of the Greens of course who are going to fund their electoral promises by just printing money- I mean what could possibly go wrong with that idea!

It’s not a lie, he and his Welsh counterpart literally had a falling out about it to which Farages response was “it’ll be a decision ahead of a general election”, the man is scum I don’t trust him.

www.politico.eu/article/uk-nigel-farage-breaks-with-his-welsh-leader-over-insurance-system-nhs/

Farage has said on multiple occasions that he wants it funded by insurance. So what Farage is saying is there will be a very basic NHS for those who can't afford or get insurance. So how basic is basic. Kind of sounds similar to America where people without insurance can't get treatment for cancer or heart disease etc but they might get patched up at a charity hospital if they are lucky.

I'm afraid Reform voters are falling for an age old trick ...not reading enough into his policy or listening to what he is saying. First immigration, then welfare, now the NHS......he's just a vile old fashioned Tory. I'm sick of hearing about hard working people because I'm one myself and I tell you politicians who stoke division are hiding something. He doesn't want to talk about workers rights, women's rights at work, healthcare, transport, clean air, education.... because what he wants to do is tear up all the progress and send this country back to the 1980s.

I will tell you one thing the moment that man gets into number 10 he will take the axe to everything. Some will benefit from tax cuts but the vast majority will pay a heavy price.

You see his plans for education is one of taking a few into elite schools and leaving the ordinary with substandard. His plan for the NHS is two tier and one that leaves those at the bottom with substandard healthcare. He doesn't care about workers rights because he wants a laissez-faire approach to workers rights....this helps has said and that's exactly what he will do

Look the man wanted to roll back smoking bans in pubs....turns out the ban is pretty popular so he no longer talks about it. He wants to roll back progress on clean air in cities despite the fact that London has seen huge improvement and it's saved thousands of lives.

I'll give Farage one thing he's bold in his ideas but that should scare anyone who thinks society is better together than divided

I don't believe that I'm afraid. Having worked through the Blair days of throwing money at the NHS, the profligacy was sickening. I recall going to a 3 day conference and we were all booked into a bloody Malmaison hotel. On public money. I could give you so many examples of the waste when funding was free flowing.

Even in the current more austere days, there's constant reorganisation, the same people moving round, additional senior manager posts etc. It's depressing.

As for medical deserts, I live in an area that is classified as a desert. I'd take it over the NHS any day. As someone who's worked in the NHS for almost 3 decades (clinical and non clinical), I am astonished every time I have an medical interaction in France.

Every doctor I've spoken to about health systems has said to me that British patients are so grateful when they're treated in France, it's a bit of a standing joke. 10 minutes wait for an ambulance in a medical desert or an 8 hours wait in the UK - I know which I'd choose. Being seen by a specialist consultant in A & E with minutes of arriving and having had surgery and being back in the ward or istill being injured and waiting at home for an ambulance in the same time frame - I know which I'd choose.

I'm so sad that the NHS is is the state is is, I assumed it was the same elsewhere. It isn't.

And In France people have to find a percentage of the cost. 30 percent at point of use. Plus you pay 9% of your salary on top of your income tax which for me is 41%. And your employer finds an additional 13% towards healthcare.

So I earn 90,000 per annum and I lose 41% past 10,000 in tax. I pay a further 9% for healthcare and still have to find another 30% out my pocket when I see a doctor. If your doctor doesn't know you you will likely pay it all and claim back 70%......so can you imagine not having the money.

I've lived in France and I've paid into the French system.....it's not cheap. There ambulance service is bloody awful as well....not as good as ours.

So stop telling lies there is no system where you get great healthcare for pocket change. Being on holiday is very different because your a walking gold card because you have health insurance and they will happily treat you for access to your insurance...

So what do you propose instead?

It wasn't damaged when it saved my son's life last year. Nor has it been damaged in giving me ongoing treatment to save my sight. All for no charge, either.

And what happens if you lose your job?