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Why do Remainers support being in the EU when Brits are not compatible with Europeans?

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molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 08:29

Think of Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
These are all former British colonies in which people of British descent have long been socially, culturally, politically, economically dominant.

Because of the fact that the dominant social group in those countries was of British descent that meant that they spoke English, had similar political and judicial traditions to the UK, viewed British history like the Tudors and the Stuarts as "their history", and felt loyalty and amity with the UK.

But, when non-British European migration started happening to those countries post-WW2 and later Asian, African and Middle Eastern migration, things started to change.
Greek, Polish, Norwegian, Italian, Hungarian, German immigrants and their kids in Canada in the 1950s/60s etc didn't feel the same way about Britain that people of British descent did. They were more invested in their own homelands. They may have spoken English, but they wouldn't call the UK the "mother country" or feel loyalty towards it or view British history as "theirs"; rather they'd have been likely to transmit historical grievances against Britain from their ethnic homeland to Canada. An example is how many Italian and Ukrainian-Canadians in the 1960s were demanding that Canada change its national flag from the old Red Ensign flag which had the Union Jack in the corner because they didn't identify with the UK whereas most British-origin Canadians supported the old flag because they did.

Similarly, French-Canadians were demanding bilingualism in Canada and conducing terrorist actions like blowing up mailboxes which had the word "Royal" on as well as demanding the abolition of the monarchy in Canada since they didn't identify with Britain.

In Australia and New Zealand, people of Irish descent have long been the most ardent republicans since they don't feel an attachment to the UK. And, white people of non-British descent like those of Dutch and Greek descent have also been republicans, tend to be the ones most strongly in favour of Australia changing its national flag to remove the Union Jack, and tend to have little care for the UK. This is because they are not of British descent so feel no attachment to it.

This fundamentally goes to show that blood is thicker than water.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand were only loyal to Britain and only strongly identified with it because people of British descent dominated those societies and because they are "blood" relations of British people. By contrast, continental Europeans are generally indifferent to, if not hostile to Britain, since they are not "blood" as proven by the actions of their diasporas like Greek-Australians demanding Britain gives the Elgin Marbles to Greece, thus showing a pro-Greek not pro-British stance whereas an Anglo-Australian would likely favour Britain; or a Cypriot-Canadian demanding that Britain evacuate its bases on Cyprus, thus favouring the Cypriot/Greek position rather than the British one as an Anglo-Canadian may be inclined to do.

Think also about the Dutch settlers in Soutb Africa causing issues. Their disdain for Britain led them to fight the Boer Wars and push for a South African Republic in 1961.

So, given all of that, why would you want to be part of the EU, which is not just a "trade zone" but an attempt to forge a European superstate? Continental Europeans, as demonstrated by the behaviour of their diasporas in Anglosphere nations, are not "blood" or loyal to Britain in the way people of British ancestry are? They are inclined to follow their own biases and cultures and traditions, which often are opposed to the UK, because they are not "us".
They are and their diasporas are either indifferent, or hostile; but they are definitely not loyal.

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EwwPeople · 22/03/2026 09:58

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:55

I like to imagine the Anglosphere (Americans, Canadians and Australians of British ancestry) fully supporting Britain in its struggle against the EU and ganging up on it with boycotts, travel bans and trade sanctions to show that Britain's family will defeat the EU if they dare to try it. Then how would the EU feel?

Keep imagining. I like to imagine that people are generally smarter than they actually are. I guess we’ll both be disappointed.

UpTheWomen · 22/03/2026 09:58

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:55

I like to imagine the Anglosphere (Americans, Canadians and Australians of British ancestry) fully supporting Britain in its struggle against the EU and ganging up on it with boycotts, travel bans and trade sanctions to show that Britain's family will defeat the EU if they dare to try it. Then how would the EU feel?

‘Imagining’ is something you are clearly very good at.

NervesofSteel · 22/03/2026 09:59

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:55

I like to imagine the Anglosphere (Americans, Canadians and Australians of British ancestry) fully supporting Britain in its struggle against the EU and ganging up on it with boycotts, travel bans and trade sanctions to show that Britain's family will defeat the EU if they dare to try it. Then how would the EU feel?

I think you’re confusing the Anglosphere with the Manosphere. And you appear to be completely oblivious to actual current affairs.

Weeelokthen · 22/03/2026 09:59

Wednesdaytoday · 22/03/2026 08:47

Synergy basically. There's no Great in Great Britain, that ship has long sailed. With Europe we are in a better position, they are our closest neighbours.

Are you aware where the Great in Great Britain comes from?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 09:59

As the demographic of Europe changes we will start feeling closer culturally to many other countries in the world anyway. The "European" culture will be different from now.

EspanaPorfavor · 22/03/2026 10:00

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:55

I like to imagine the Anglosphere (Americans, Canadians and Australians of British ancestry) fully supporting Britain in its struggle against the EU and ganging up on it with boycotts, travel bans and trade sanctions to show that Britain's family will defeat the EU if they dare to try it. Then how would the EU feel?

But this is the fantasy of a lunatic.

How do you square this with the US threatening sanctions on the UK because we don’t agree with him grabbing sovereign territories?

AnSpideog · 22/03/2026 10:02

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:55

I like to imagine the Anglosphere (Americans, Canadians and Australians of British ancestry) fully supporting Britain in its struggle against the EU and ganging up on it with boycotts, travel bans and trade sanctions to show that Britain's family will defeat the EU if they dare to try it. Then how would the EU feel?

What are you talking about. What struggle? The UK government has put a lot of effort into rebuilding the relationship between the EU and Britian because it knows cooperation is key now as we face a new world order.

Those countries also coordinate with the EU. You have a completely bizarre view of things.

Notonthestairs · 22/03/2026 10:02

Our trade relationships should be based on what benefits the economy. The EU trade bloc is the largest in the world for heavens sakes.

GCAcademic · 22/03/2026 10:03

What a load of drivel. I cant believe people are engaging with it.

ErrolTheDragon · 22/03/2026 10:03

TLDNR; from a quick scan ignorant racism.

EwwPeople · 22/03/2026 10:04

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 09:56

Yes I didn't get the blood point. Does a British person have more in common with an Aussie (same language) or a French person (proximity). You can't generalise so no idea how that question can ever be answered. We have similar culture re politics/social norms compared to many other countries in the world.

OP comes from the assumption that every British descendant (unless not really British or indoctrinated wrong) will automatically have loyalty and fight for the rights/supremacy/interests of the “mother country “ of Britain(?!?). Purely because they’re British descendants. And that Canada , NZ, Australia and the US are automatically our allies and will automatically take Britain’s side and interests because the “Anglosphere”.

I see where you’re coming from, and you might want to start your own thread on that, but it really has nothing in common with what OP is peddling.

dizzydizzydizzy · 22/03/2026 10:04

Brexit has cost us a fortune in money and time.

As somebody who lived in another European country for many years and worked in several global companies. I can tell you that the British ae much closer culturally to Europe than North America.

Crikeyalmighty · 22/03/2026 10:04

Notonthestairs · 22/03/2026 10:02

Our trade relationships should be based on what benefits the economy. The EU trade bloc is the largest in the world for heavens sakes.

I think people who bang on about the US as an example forget that effectively the USA is ‘its own EU’ - hence why it doesn’t matter so much that it’s ’on It’s own’ - it has big enough internal markets on its doorstep to still warrant investment ( well in normal times)

AlexRidersButt · 22/03/2026 10:05

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:40

I suppose those Canadians and Australians you refer to aren't ethnically British which is the whole point. Or, they have been indoctrinated by anti British nationalism which has sought to distance from Britain in those nations since the 1960s

This is patently bullshit. It may have been true in 1914 when the U.K. was a dominant global power but it sure as hell hasn't been the case for a good 60 years at least.

Canadians, New Zealander and Australians have our own culture and history. We don't see the U.K. as the motherland and we don't think our Scottish, Welsh, Irish or English grandparents tie us to a country most of us never visit.

Get over yourself. The U.K. is a European country and daft posturing can't change that.

TheDogsMother · 22/03/2026 10:06

Small geographical point. We are in Europe, we are Europeans, we’re just not in the EU.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 10:08

EwwPeople · 22/03/2026 10:04

OP comes from the assumption that every British descendant (unless not really British or indoctrinated wrong) will automatically have loyalty and fight for the rights/supremacy/interests of the “mother country “ of Britain(?!?). Purely because they’re British descendants. And that Canada , NZ, Australia and the US are automatically our allies and will automatically take Britain’s side and interests because the “Anglosphere”.

I see where you’re coming from, and you might want to start your own thread on that, but it really has nothing in common with what OP is peddling.

Fair enough.

I think the US has probably put the OPs theory to bed anyway.

Notonthestairs · 22/03/2026 10:10

Crikeyalmighty · 22/03/2026 10:04

I think people who bang on about the US as an example forget that effectively the USA is ‘its own EU’ - hence why it doesn’t matter so much that it’s ’on It’s own’ - it has big enough internal markets on its doorstep to still warrant investment ( well in normal times)

Agree - when under reliable management.

Wednesdaytoday · 22/03/2026 10:11

Weeelokthen · 22/03/2026 09:59

Are you aware where the Great in Great Britain comes from?

Originally? Can't say I do. Are you going to explain?

EspanaPorfavor · 22/03/2026 10:12

Wednesdaytoday · 22/03/2026 10:11

Originally? Can't say I do. Are you going to explain?

It means “big” as opposed to the little Britain (Brittany) in France.

Branleuse · 22/03/2026 10:13

I don't feel like I have more in common with Australians or Americans op. I feel much more connected to Europe. It's on our doorstep

Wednesdaytoday · 22/03/2026 10:14

EspanaPorfavor · 22/03/2026 10:12

It means “big” as opposed to the little Britain (Brittany) in France.

Thankyou. I can't be the only one that didn't know that.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 10:17

EspanaPorfavor · 22/03/2026 10:12

It means “big” as opposed to the little Britain (Brittany) in France.

I thought it meant the main island of Britain (Great Britain). Hence why the UK is Great Britain and N Ireland.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 10:18

SerendipityJane · 22/03/2026 10:17

If the UK can't be "European" then what does it say for Canada ?

https://www.politico.eu/article/canada-could-join-eu-says-french-foreign-minister-jean-noel-barrot

Says French foreign minister 🤣

1000StrawberryLollies · 22/03/2026 10:21

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:34

Yes, but European countries don't call UK the mother country or show deference to it or loyally fight to defend it due to a desire to protect their kin like Canadians, Australians and NZers of British descent did/do. They treat UK as one of many European nations rather than the mother country which is the centre and is deferred to.

So? What on earth makes you think that nations can only cooperate and have agreements with their 'mother country'? These kinds of agreement are based on mutual benefits, not loyalty, blood or deference. And it's not as if people aren't perfectly capable of fighting or betraying their blood or their mother country anyway. I find the idea of New Zealanders , Canadians and Australians showing us deference and loyalty quite weird actually.

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