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Why do Remainers support being in the EU when Brits are not compatible with Europeans?

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molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 08:29

Think of Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
These are all former British colonies in which people of British descent have long been socially, culturally, politically, economically dominant.

Because of the fact that the dominant social group in those countries was of British descent that meant that they spoke English, had similar political and judicial traditions to the UK, viewed British history like the Tudors and the Stuarts as "their history", and felt loyalty and amity with the UK.

But, when non-British European migration started happening to those countries post-WW2 and later Asian, African and Middle Eastern migration, things started to change.
Greek, Polish, Norwegian, Italian, Hungarian, German immigrants and their kids in Canada in the 1950s/60s etc didn't feel the same way about Britain that people of British descent did. They were more invested in their own homelands. They may have spoken English, but they wouldn't call the UK the "mother country" or feel loyalty towards it or view British history as "theirs"; rather they'd have been likely to transmit historical grievances against Britain from their ethnic homeland to Canada. An example is how many Italian and Ukrainian-Canadians in the 1960s were demanding that Canada change its national flag from the old Red Ensign flag which had the Union Jack in the corner because they didn't identify with the UK whereas most British-origin Canadians supported the old flag because they did.

Similarly, French-Canadians were demanding bilingualism in Canada and conducing terrorist actions like blowing up mailboxes which had the word "Royal" on as well as demanding the abolition of the monarchy in Canada since they didn't identify with Britain.

In Australia and New Zealand, people of Irish descent have long been the most ardent republicans since they don't feel an attachment to the UK. And, white people of non-British descent like those of Dutch and Greek descent have also been republicans, tend to be the ones most strongly in favour of Australia changing its national flag to remove the Union Jack, and tend to have little care for the UK. This is because they are not of British descent so feel no attachment to it.

This fundamentally goes to show that blood is thicker than water.
Australia, Canada and New Zealand were only loyal to Britain and only strongly identified with it because people of British descent dominated those societies and because they are "blood" relations of British people. By contrast, continental Europeans are generally indifferent to, if not hostile to Britain, since they are not "blood" as proven by the actions of their diasporas like Greek-Australians demanding Britain gives the Elgin Marbles to Greece, thus showing a pro-Greek not pro-British stance whereas an Anglo-Australian would likely favour Britain; or a Cypriot-Canadian demanding that Britain evacuate its bases on Cyprus, thus favouring the Cypriot/Greek position rather than the British one as an Anglo-Canadian may be inclined to do.

Think also about the Dutch settlers in Soutb Africa causing issues. Their disdain for Britain led them to fight the Boer Wars and push for a South African Republic in 1961.

So, given all of that, why would you want to be part of the EU, which is not just a "trade zone" but an attempt to forge a European superstate? Continental Europeans, as demonstrated by the behaviour of their diasporas in Anglosphere nations, are not "blood" or loyal to Britain in the way people of British ancestry are? They are inclined to follow their own biases and cultures and traditions, which often are opposed to the UK, because they are not "us".
They are and their diasporas are either indifferent, or hostile; but they are definitely not loyal.

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EspanaPorfavor · 22/03/2026 09:37

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:34

Yes, but European countries don't call UK the mother country or show deference to it or loyally fight to defend it due to a desire to protect their kin like Canadians, Australians and NZers of British descent did/do. They treat UK as one of many European nations rather than the mother country which is the centre and is deferred to.

Do you think Canada/New Zealand/Australia defer to Britain and call it “the mother country”?

My Canadian and Aussie friends most certainly would be in hysterics at the thought of this but I’d be interested to hear why you think it is the case?

HotRootsAndNaughtyToots · 22/03/2026 09:38

What a load of nonsense

EwwPeople · 22/03/2026 09:39

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:34

Yes, but European countries don't call UK the mother country or show deference to it or loyally fight to defend it due to a desire to protect their kin like Canadians, Australians and NZers of British descent did/do. They treat UK as one of many European nations rather than the mother country which is the centre and is deferred to.

What century do you think this is?

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:40

I suppose those Canadians and Australians you refer to aren't ethnically British which is the whole point. Or, they have been indoctrinated by anti British nationalism which has sought to distance from Britain in those nations since the 1960s

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AlcoholicAntibiotic · 22/03/2026 09:42

You do realise that British people also have a variety of ethnicities and backgrounds, right?

Araminta1003 · 22/03/2026 09:42

I definitely want back in the EU. I would say it is a generational thing primarily, Older Brits simply still had some WW2 trauma vis a vis Germans/Spain/Italy/distrust of French and cliches of Eastern Europeans with their past Russian ties. WW2 and Cold War trauma essentially in their psyche.
Brexit was a negligent accident that happened due to demographic voting patterns. It is really as simple as that. Thrown in with a few self serving politicians and Russian bots. Cost us all dearly into the many billions.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 09:43

EwwPeople · 22/03/2026 09:36

OP is completely ignoring history and facts. She/he posted a load of rambling word soup that has no bearing in reality.That’s the main issue with her post, not the love or (lack of) for Europeans and vice versa.

My English OH thought the Elgin marbles were actual marbles, just big and possibly Turkish. I (European) had to educate him on that. You can tell by that how much interest he has in the Brits keeping a hold of them.

Your husband is just one example. Without going into the rights and wrongs of keeping the Elgin Marbles it isn't a clear open and shut legal case. And plenty of people are interested in the British keeping hold of them. And some are interested in giving away artefacts.

We shouldn't be intolerant of badly worded posts in my opinion. Some people are young or not as well educated as others. And debate is a good thing surely. He/she is trying to have a debate. Shutting down debate is one reason we have the politics we currently have.

EspanaPorfavor · 22/03/2026 09:43

But if you think Canadians are ethnically British because of history, you must agree that a majority of British people are ethnically European because of history…

Or do you have a cut off point? And if so, how did you decide it?

Araminta1003 · 22/03/2026 09:43

My generation and younger less focussed on race/religion/othering, more focussed on common experiences and common histories.

FancyNewt · 22/03/2026 09:44

I have news for you OP. We aren't the big wig colonialists anymore. No one gives two shits what we do.__

EwwPeople · 22/03/2026 09:46

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 09:43

Your husband is just one example. Without going into the rights and wrongs of keeping the Elgin Marbles it isn't a clear open and shut legal case. And plenty of people are interested in the British keeping hold of them. And some are interested in giving away artefacts.

We shouldn't be intolerant of badly worded posts in my opinion. Some people are young or not as well educated as others. And debate is a good thing surely. He/she is trying to have a debate. Shutting down debate is one reason we have the politics we currently have.

There’s badly worded and there’s Rule Britannia, blood is thicker than water, motherland twaddle. Come on , now.

Notonthestairs · 22/03/2026 09:48

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:40

I suppose those Canadians and Australians you refer to aren't ethnically British which is the whole point. Or, they have been indoctrinated by anti British nationalism which has sought to distance from Britain in those nations since the 1960s

Brexit swiped 8% off GDP.
It made the UK poorer.

The argument isnt an emotional one. Its an economic one.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 09:48

Araminta1003 · 22/03/2026 09:42

I definitely want back in the EU. I would say it is a generational thing primarily, Older Brits simply still had some WW2 trauma vis a vis Germans/Spain/Italy/distrust of French and cliches of Eastern Europeans with their past Russian ties. WW2 and Cold War trauma essentially in their psyche.
Brexit was a negligent accident that happened due to demographic voting patterns. It is really as simple as that. Thrown in with a few self serving politicians and Russian bots. Cost us all dearly into the many billions.

That's a massive over simplification of an issue that wasn't black and white at the time. Reasonable people should be able to understand both sides have good and bad points, even if they don't agree. In fact most people seemed perfectly able to at the start of the Brexit debate. It just got too unpleasant and polarised and the UK political discourse has never recovered. In fact the way we debate has got far nastier.

Catcatcatcatcat · 22/03/2026 09:48

What a load of shite!

UK is part of Europe. I feel totally “compatible” with that fact.

HTH

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 09:49

Catcatcatcatcat · 22/03/2026 09:48

What a load of shite!

UK is part of Europe. I feel totally “compatible” with that fact.

HTH

Does "Europe" feel the same about you though...

NervesofSteel · 22/03/2026 09:51

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:40

I suppose those Canadians and Australians you refer to aren't ethnically British which is the whole point. Or, they have been indoctrinated by anti British nationalism which has sought to distance from Britain in those nations since the 1960s

Oh, do explain about ‘ethnic Britishness’. If Canadians who are not ‘ethnically British’ are ‘disloyal’ and don’t genuflect when referring to ‘the mother country’, are you suggesting the same is true of British people living in Britain whose ancestors came over with the Normans, the Huguenots, escaping the Nazis or in the Windrush?

thesealion · 22/03/2026 09:52

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:34

Yes, but European countries don't call UK the mother country or show deference to it or loyally fight to defend it due to a desire to protect their kin like Canadians, Australians and NZers of British descent did/do. They treat UK as one of many European nations rather than the mother country which is the centre and is deferred to.

You think Britain should be treated as a superior “mother country”? I think you’re seriously overestimating the numbers of Canadians, Australians or New Zealanders that think this. That’s not a stance I want anything to do with, way too colonialist and white supremacist for me. So yes, I want to be in the EU because I don’t think the UK is exceptional or better than other countries.

AnSpideog · 22/03/2026 09:52

Ii find your point of view bizarre and stuck very much in the past. You could say the same thing about having the Common Travel Area with Ireland. Because Irish people are not loyal to Britain but they do however want a mutually beneficial relationship and to coordinate with them on all sorts of things including the free movement of people.

I’m Irish and I would have always been anti Brexit but it’s even more obvious now that Trump has come into power and the US can no longer be counted on. It’s not about other countries being “loyal” it’s about having completely frictionless trade and travel, attracting companies that want that want access to the EU market and being able to coordinate on crime and terrorism prevention ect.

Smaller countries coming together to speak in one voice means they are stronger. The recent Spain example is a good one.

thesealion · 22/03/2026 09:53

NervesofSteel · 22/03/2026 09:51

Oh, do explain about ‘ethnic Britishness’. If Canadians who are not ‘ethnically British’ are ‘disloyal’ and don’t genuflect when referring to ‘the mother country’, are you suggesting the same is true of British people living in Britain whose ancestors came over with the Normans, the Huguenots, escaping the Nazis or in the Windrush?

The Windrush is a great point and I also thought of them. Look how their sense of British identity was rewarded - total
disregard for them, lost paperwork and threats of deportation.

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:55

I like to imagine the Anglosphere (Americans, Canadians and Australians of British ancestry) fully supporting Britain in its struggle against the EU and ganging up on it with boycotts, travel bans and trade sanctions to show that Britain's family will defeat the EU if they dare to try it. Then how would the EU feel?

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Shithotlawyer · 22/03/2026 09:55

whatever tribes we come from ethnically and evolutionarily, whatever colour our skin or area of the world our ancestors emerged in, and however far back we choose to trace these origins...

We are civilised.

The glory of civilisation is that we use our giant human brains to reason that all these identity crap things don't matter. What matters is our choice to live together going forward, in increasingly large and increasingly harmonious groups, reducing violence between us and protecting the weak.

States are a step along that path. Collaboration between states, with supra-national agreements about human rights and the rule of law, is the next step on that path.

Bring on Europe again I say. Social democracy is the best we have against autocratic, patriarchal, misogynistic, racist, fear-driven autocracy or tribal warfare.

Bring together Canada and Ukraine and India and everywhere else that agrees with humanity and decency and the rule of law. We all need to stand together.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 22/03/2026 09:56

EwwPeople · 22/03/2026 09:46

There’s badly worded and there’s Rule Britannia, blood is thicker than water, motherland twaddle. Come on , now.

Yes I didn't get the blood point. Does a British person have more in common with an Aussie (same language) or a French person (proximity). You can't generalise so no idea how that question can ever be answered. We have similar culture re politics/social norms compared to many other countries in the world.

Shithotlawyer · 22/03/2026 09:56

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:55

I like to imagine the Anglosphere (Americans, Canadians and Australians of British ancestry) fully supporting Britain in its struggle against the EU and ganging up on it with boycotts, travel bans and trade sanctions to show that Britain's family will defeat the EU if they dare to try it. Then how would the EU feel?

That's an actual nightmare. The whole anglosphere does not, currently, share the same fundamental, dare I say European, values.

thesealion · 22/03/2026 09:57

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:55

I like to imagine the Anglosphere (Americans, Canadians and Australians of British ancestry) fully supporting Britain in its struggle against the EU and ganging up on it with boycotts, travel bans and trade sanctions to show that Britain's family will defeat the EU if they dare to try it. Then how would the EU feel?

This is hilarious. I seriously doubt the average American, Australian etc cares. In fact I’ve met many who think Brexit was a stupid idea and made the UK look like a screaming toddler.

Nevermind17 · 22/03/2026 09:57

I definitely feel closer culturally to Europe than I do to America. We are European. We were part of mainland Europe until 8,000 years ago.