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Why nothing on the BBC about the grooming gangs?

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Tenbywonder · 11/02/2026 23:04

So then, a letter has been sent to the Secretary of State for Justice:

https://forums-images.pistonheads.com/140241/202602117397159

Nothing much has materialised yet in terms of an official UK Government enquiry, but an MP led enquiry has been moving forward at some pace and the emerging details and sheer scale and proliferation of what has happened seems unfathomable. An excerpt from a judge’s sentencing remarks in one such rape gang trial paints a truly disturbing picture:

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s!AbZo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9af08984-8e32-411b-a677-415f8247a92c_1654x870.png_

So why is what is likely the most far-ranging and sordid scandal in UK modern history, with many 1,000's of abused, drugged and raped young British girls, (mostly underage) getting hardly any attention from our mainstream media?

https://forums-images.pistonheads.com/140241/202602117397159

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TeenagersAngst · 12/02/2026 11:29

5MinuteArgument · 12/02/2026 11:20

This is what we get for importing clan based misogynistic cultures to come and live in our poorest neighbourhoods. It's happening in dozens of towns and cities across the UK: grooming gangs, sectarian politics, fraud and corruption in local government.

No wonder the BBC and most Labour politicians pretend it's not happening. It completely upends their delusion that multiculturalism in Britain is a success.

Diversity is our strength. Haven't you got the (left-wing) memo?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2026 11:29

itsthetea · 12/02/2026 11:28

i don’t think it’s ok to have an inquiry dictated to by ( a subset of the ) survivors any more than I think justice should be decided by victims. And I think there is a lot of manipulation and hate being covered by some of the people involved. Which is worrying.

What is the “manipulation and hate”?

FlyingApple · 12/02/2026 11:31

Let's focus on the potential racism towards these child abusers and not the racism from the child abusers to their victims.

I find all posters who don't want to talk about the elephant in the room absolutely disgusting.

BishyBarnyBee · 12/02/2026 11:31

FlyingApple · 12/02/2026 11:23

I don't understand it either. Where is all the coverage? It's absolutely horrific.

Having now read the account of what the enquiry actually is, I suspect they don't want to give credence to an unofficial enquiry.

It has no legal standing, has been set up for overtly political reasons, and is run without any standards, procedures or accountability.

The BBC can't investigate the status of the witnesses or guarantee that what is said is legitimate and hasn't been led by the investigators.

This is not to belittle the terrible suffering of the girls, now women, involved. But I don't believe it's been set up in their interests. Anyone who has had to give testimony about child abuse knows how very distressing it is. I wonder if they realise this has no legal standing and they will have to go through the whole thing again for the actual enquiry?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2026 11:33

They're not all going to cooperate with the inquiry. They believe this opportunity is valuable.

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Tenbywonder · 12/02/2026 11:33

And for anyone who seems to be trying to use 'whataboutery' to attempt to shut down debate, or minimise what these young girls went through because 'white people sometimes abuse too', might I suggest you read some of the recent court transcripts relating to these gangs. Horrifying stuff, and if it was a daughter of your's, you'd want this properly investigating without moronic and callous individuals trying to smear you as racist etc.

Might I suggest you find out more here, but be warned, it is disturbing stuff that has gone on:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/23/the-grooming-gangs-scandal-is-far-worse-than-you-think/

The grooming-gangs scandal is far worse than you think

A new film illuminates the shocking depravity of these crimes.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/23/the-grooming-gangs-scandal-is-far-worse-than-you-think/

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2026 11:42

It is horrific.

Changingplace · 12/02/2026 11:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2026 11:24

This is what Rupert Lowe says. You can be as cynical as you like, but I really think people should listen to the survivors when they say why they aren’t satisfied with the government inquiry (that Starmer never wanted). I’m not a Reform supporter. You can advance search my posts for a decade or so where I’ve discussed this issue on MN (and I and others on FWR have been called racists just for talking about it).

”I was so frustrated with the lack of action on the rape gangs and Labour’s failure to establish a national investigation, I crowdfunded over £600k to start our own independent inquiry.
This was the largest Crowdfunder in British political history. All achieved with almost zero help from the media. It was done by you, with the overwhelming percentage of donations small amounts. It was a humbling experience, and I want to thank every single person who donated - one penny or one thousand pounds.
This effort helped to push the Labour Government into action. I have been desperately depressed with their progress. My parliamentary motion calling for action has been signed by both Conservative and Labour MPs. No Lib Dem. No SNP. No Reform. Our job is not only to press ahead with our investigation, but also to pressure this appalling Labour Government.
Our team has been working tirelessly, gathering evidence, speaking with survivors/relevant witnesses, and preparing for our hearings which are taking place in early 2026.
The mental health and safeguarding of the survivors is at the very heart of everything that we do.
• We have mental health support on offer for our participants seven days a week.
• A qualified mental health nurse, whose own daughter was a survivor so he understands better than almost anyone the pain families have been through.
• Professional risk assessments are being carried out on all survivor participants for the hearings, and robust support will be provided throughout the fortnight and after.
• A qualified safeguarding lead with vast experience.
As you can see, we are taking this incredibly seriously. I want to thank the team for their work on this and continued support for those who have been so comprehensively failed by the state. Clearly, we have a limited budget, but we are doing everything we can.
We have released a number of research reports detailing our quantitative findings so far. Crucially, the lack of data available from local councils/police forces has meant that nobody has any idea about how widespread this scandal is. We launched a petition, and reached the successful number in a matter of hours.
This will now be debated in Parliament thanks to you. I am chasing a date for this…
One of the most powerful experiences as an MP was welcoming dozens of survivors to Westminster to tell their stories. MPs from across Parliament came - Labour, Tory, Northern Irish, Plaid, independents. No Reform, Lib Dem or SNP MPs bothered to show up. It was an emotional day, to be honest - not one I will forget.
But the vast majority of our effort and preparations are going into the hearings in 2026, and then the preparation of our report.
Following that, we are planning to take out private prosecutions. This is not a talking shop. We want to see action, and we want justice. That will mean finding appropriate targets, and then taking the relevant legal actions. More details on this will emerge at the right time…
Our hearings will take place over a ten working day period in central London. We have a topic for each day, and have invited specialists to help our barrister chair and Sammy Woodhouse, who is leading on the inquiry. She is a survivor herself, and this was vital to the work we’re doing. I wanted this to be a survivor-led inquiry. And that’s exactly what we’re doing.
Sammy has done incredible work, and I want to personally thank her for everything that she’s done, and what she is doing.
I can think of nobody better to lead such an inquiry.
The daily hearing topics are.
Parents and carers.
Pregnancy, abortion, born of rape.
Whistleblowers.
Policing and justice.
Social care.
NHS, mental health and sexual health.
Education and licensing.
Demographics - the role of religion.
Media, social media and the mechanisms of online grooming.
Politics.
We will not shy away from the difficult questions, including on the role of Islam.
Of course, we’re all entirely in the unknown. We shouldn’t have to be doing this. The Government should be doing this, but they’re not. So we have had to try. It’s that, or moan on social media. I choose trying, every single time.
Invitations have been sent to our prospective panellists and expert witnesses, and we have had a number of positive responses already.
The hearings are planned for early February 2026, with the report being drafted after that.
Again, I want to thank you for your donation. It simply wouldn’t be possible without your support.
It’s easy to talk in politics, we are trying to do. Labour are failing. The Tories failed in their 14 years. Reform promised an inquiry, and failed. The Lib Dems fail to even properly acknowledge there’s an issue. It’s so very disappointing.
Survivors, and their families, all deserve so much better.
The mass rape of working class white girls is a rotting stain on our country’s history - this inquiry is doing our very best to drag the scandal into the spotlight.
I've always found that actions speak louder than words.
Progress made, a lot more to do.”

This is all very well but it doesn’t hold any power to actually do anything.

I completely believe survivors should be heard and perpetrators brought to justice but I don’t see what him sitting in a room will achieve here?

BishyBarnyBee · 12/02/2026 11:43

Actually, I'm leaving the thread now. As a survivor of child sexual abuse which has scarred my whole life, I've realised that I am reacting very strongly to watching people in power make political capital out of the abuse of women and girls.

I've been increasingly distressed watching the establishment ignore the Epstein victims and go for Starmer because they scent blood, when there is no suggestion he ever abused anyone and the abusers are walking around free.

Having a string of graphic descriptions from the Lowe enquiry appear on my facebook page is beyond distressing.

I'm not trying to minimise the actions of these men and I do want justice to be done. But I need to step away from the thread for my own mental health.

Changingplace · 12/02/2026 11:45

BishyBarnyBee · 12/02/2026 11:31

Having now read the account of what the enquiry actually is, I suspect they don't want to give credence to an unofficial enquiry.

It has no legal standing, has been set up for overtly political reasons, and is run without any standards, procedures or accountability.

The BBC can't investigate the status of the witnesses or guarantee that what is said is legitimate and hasn't been led by the investigators.

This is not to belittle the terrible suffering of the girls, now women, involved. But I don't believe it's been set up in their interests. Anyone who has had to give testimony about child abuse knows how very distressing it is. I wonder if they realise this has no legal standing and they will have to go through the whole thing again for the actual enquiry?

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Totally agree, sadly this set up that Rupert Lowe has arranged simply has no legal power to do anything any more than you or I sitting listening to to survivors accounts.

He can’t hold anyone to account by doing this, it’s not going to actually help any of the survivors or send anyone to prison for their crimes either.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2026 11:47

Understandable. I can imagine how difficult it must be with so much media coverage of CSA at the moment Flowers

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2026 11:51

Changingplace · 12/02/2026 11:42

This is all very well but it doesn’t hold any power to actually do anything.

I completely believe survivors should be heard and perpetrators brought to justice but I don’t see what him sitting in a room will achieve here?

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It’s really up to the survivors whether they feel it’s worthwhile, I think. A report will be produced and I would hope the government will consider it in the same way they consider reports produced by other lobby groups. Lowe is an MP and can raise it in parliament.

TellMeYourScores · 12/02/2026 11:53

BishyBarnyBee · 12/02/2026 09:00

Some of us, perhaps especially those of us who were abused by white men or in predominantly white institutions, are a bit bemused by seeing sexual abuse weaponised by anti immigrant politicians (the grooming gangs) or anti-Starmer politicians (the Epstein papers).

It's almost as if some people only care about abuse when it serves their political aims. Whereas the truth is, wherever there are men, there is abuse, and it has often been covered up, ignored or not taken seriously.

The same papers that are now baying for blood absolutely normalised perving on young girls, using 16 year old Page 3 models, counting down to child celebrities turning 16 etc.

Reform have accepted money from Crispin Odey, who has multiple accusations of sexual misconduct and Reform MP James McMurdoch was jailed for physical abuse of his girlfriend. You will find abuse and misogyny in every class, race and institution. The only common factor is that the perpetrators are overwhelmingly men, with a tiny number of women actively involved - not unheard of but very, very rare.

I am seeing Reform post the graphic details of the grooming gang assaults on Facebook and my heart weeps for those poor girls. But I don't believe Reform have any interest in rape victims unless they can make political capital out of them.

I support your comments.

I was handed over by Rochdale Social Services to a white male abuser. Reading the files they suspected yet could not prove there had been CSA before the age of 4. The abuser was warned about this he told me no one would believe me. He was right and, when I dared to speak out as a teenager I was subsequently verbally punished and belittled by the East Cheshire Social Workers and put a care home (the home had abuse I occurring too, not to mention though) for a while. Then returned with a list of things I must do to ‘be kind’ to my abuser. I ran away at 16 in the arms of another abuser, then married another abuser until I escaped. All hidden behind a lovely middle class facade. I was later raped while in hospital seriously ill. Years later reported nothing happened to the rapist. They were all white male abusers. I read my files and even at 16/17when I tried to speak to the social worker about my abuser boyfriend the file states clearly the police had been told I am promiscuous and she is very disappointed I have not changed.

It really is a political football and I notice that the issue has not been raised in the Denton/Gorton by-election. This will be to protect community relations and canvas the vote. The ex-councillor (CR) who jumped before the truth about her could be exposed further. Her BF is also very senior social worker in a neighbouring authority. I named her as being the WhatsApp group hours before it was made public. I know for a fact never gave a damn about abuse survivors, they were the wrong type of girls and deserved it in her private opinion. Her campaign slogan “to support the most vulnerable” was just a slogan to get elected the vulnerable are just a useful way of lining their pockets. There will have been white men involved in these crimes and white women who turned a blind eye. There are professionals at all levels who are complicit and guilty.

I just keep hoping that bit by bit, the truth will out as victims become older and become survivors fight back with the support of the honourable professionals.

Changingplace · 12/02/2026 11:56

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2026 11:51

It’s really up to the survivors whether they feel it’s worthwhile, I think. A report will be produced and I would hope the government will consider it in the same way they consider reports produced by other lobby groups. Lowe is an MP and can raise it in parliament.

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Its his own report though, and I fear the danger is he’s putting the survivors in a traumatic situation of speaking out about their experiences for the government just to say, we have an official inquiry taking place that we’re funding & has legal governance around it and we’ll await the outcomes of that.

I completely agree the survivors should be heard, but I don’t think this will provide them the outcomes needed and if they feel unable to deal with speaking again at the formal inquiry that is also jeopardised further.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2026 11:57

I don’t think it’s because of this inquiry that they feel unable to participate in the government one.

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Tenbywonder · 12/02/2026 11:59

Changingplace · 12/02/2026 11:42

This is all very well but it doesn’t hold any power to actually do anything.

I completely believe survivors should be heard and perpetrators brought to justice but I don’t see what him sitting in a room will achieve here?

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They have the intention to bring private prosecutions where required. And to draw attention to that what the Government clearly want to remain hidden, and appear to have deliberately hidden.

But what else do you suggest? If not Rupert Lowe, then who? We have been waiting years for this. The Government never ever wanted an enquiry, and seems determined to drag it's heels with the one they have reluctantly started. The longer we wait, the more girls get raped and abused.

Kier Starmer (and the rest of his cabinet) do not seem to care much about protecting women and children from abuse unless it impacts their election chances.

Same with the previous Tory government, although Labour are much deeper in the mire as many of their councillors in Rotherham, etc, despite being informed of what was going on, seem to have turned a deliberate blind eye because they don't want to damage their election chances with the rather large Muslim voter base in these areas. Disgusting!

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GreenCandleWax · 12/02/2026 13:11

Bringemout · 12/02/2026 05:57

Look over there everybody!!

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"See no evil, hear no evil", etc. etc. Does he work for the BBC? 😮

GreenCandleWax · 12/02/2026 13:19

muddyford · 12/02/2026 08:31

Perhaps it's because the very institutions that should have protected the girls were afraid of being labelled racist and Islamosceptic. So ordinary people will keep quiet for fear of the same slurs.

Absolutely no principles involved anywhere, then? 😲

muddyford · 12/02/2026 13:35

GreenCandleWax · 12/02/2026 13:19

Absolutely no principles involved anywhere, then? 😲

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I couldn't say.

Freysimo · 12/02/2026 13:38

BishyBarnyBee · 12/02/2026 10:29

But if you listened to the account of these survivors of a white grooming gang you would be equally appalled. If Reform quoted from the trial in the way they are about the Pakistani gangs, we would all be outraged. But they won't because they are only interested in the gangs that further their agenda.

Glasgow child sex abuse gang given life sentences - BBC News

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The white Glasgow abusers have been brought to justice and sentenced. Can we say the same about all the Pakistani "grooming gangs"?

GreenCandleWax · 12/02/2026 13:45

SidekickSylvia · 12/02/2026 09:31

The evidence coming out is just horrific. The sheer hatred that those men must feel for young British girls is evident in the torture and degradation - it was/is far more than sexual.
Where's the true racism? What those men did, or us talking about it?

Hatred of women in general and of western culture in general. Nobody dares challenge their toxic beliefs. We have become a nation of spineless appeasers.

SidekickSylvia · 12/02/2026 14:01

Very powerful opening speech from Sammy, I hope those poor children receive justice. Some were as young as four years old. There were parents fined and arrested for trying to safeguard their children.
People saying 'but white men' are missing the point; the police, social services, NHS and politicians didn't look away or actively help any other demographic.
One testimony reveals that the police returned the victim to her rapists after arresting her. They apologised to her rapists for the inconvenience. I have no idea how anyone involved in this is able to sleep, they must have no soul.

5MinuteArgument · 12/02/2026 14:12

Tenbywonder · 12/02/2026 11:33

And for anyone who seems to be trying to use 'whataboutery' to attempt to shut down debate, or minimise what these young girls went through because 'white people sometimes abuse too', might I suggest you read some of the recent court transcripts relating to these gangs. Horrifying stuff, and if it was a daughter of your's, you'd want this properly investigating without moronic and callous individuals trying to smear you as racist etc.

Might I suggest you find out more here, but be warned, it is disturbing stuff that has gone on:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/23/the-grooming-gangs-scandal-is-far-worse-than-you-think/

Spiked on line are a great news outlet. They're doing the job that the BBC should be doing.

All the BBC and like minded useful idiots in government want to do is to spew out propaganda about how enriched we are by multiculturalism. Well, it won't wash any more.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2026 14:22

The sentencing remarks from the Oxford rape gang trial in 2013. Warning, the details are horrific.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sentencing-remarks-r-v-dogar-others.pdf