Is the reputation of the last Queen salvageable ?

[SomeoneCalled]

Many of us respected and thought so well of the Queen. What now?

I’m always fascinated by this attitude because there seems absolutely no basis for it, other than ‘looked dutiful while wearing hats in public for many years, never said anything untoward, presided over spectacularly dysfunctional family, even by the standards of her class and era’.

The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones.

William Shakespeare
Julius Caesar

Maybe google the speech in which this appears? Clue: it’s not saying what you seem to think it’s saying.

QE was thirteen when PP first had access to her when he was eighteen.

She was also a victim.

Those who loved her when she was alive will still love her dead….millions of them🤷‍♀️

I hear this sort of rhetoric often. ‘I respected the old queen’ etc.

I always ask why, and always get some waffly reply about her being a figurehead and not doing anything wrong. Is that as high as the bar gets? She was the face of an anachronistic and unfair system, she never spoke out about colonial wrongs, she shielded family members from scandal. I had no respect for her as she didn’t deserve it.

Hard to disagree with any of that.

Plus half the time they’re thinking of Claire Foy in The Crown.

I did not respect her, as such, there is no reason why I should have. She was just always there, a presence on the television, or in the newspapers. She was no different to a lot of other Mothers, who would believe what their child tells them, and would seek to protect them, no matter what.

She was very much a product of the age and her upbringing. She seemed to fully believe that doing things the way that they had always been done was the only way to behave. She never challenged the status quo because she had little understanding of how the world was changing.

Her children went out into the wider world, but must have been fighting a losing battle to get her to change. She was surrounded by self serving flunkies who knew which side their bread was buttered.

What do you mean by 'access to her'? They reportedly met, when she was a Teenager, for the first time. How was she a 'victim'?

There'll always be forelock tuggers happy to fly their union flags and believe that those born into privilege somehow deserve to be there. No matter how much evidence there is to the contrary.

Absolutely ridiculous. What on earth do you imagine she was a victim of?

He was introduced to her when she was on a visit with her parents. They then wrote to each other through the war and did not start to have any relationship until after the war when she was an adult. Do you have any idea about the daily lives of royals and aristocracy in the 1930s? She would have been chaperoned at every minute.

If she was ever in news I would always say-“I could have done that if i was paid that much”.
& I don’t think she ever did anything ‘exceptional’!

I have checked the news sites, but is there something specifically new on QEII (obviously there’s the new pictures of Andrew on the floor with a young woman)

Thread based on large opinions of people in which I am interested, not on a specific news item

Ah, I see.

Did you previously respect her and now you don’t?

She also had no power to change the political trends of the decades of her rule.

she was savvy enough to stay in her swim lane and ensure the monarchy's future survival and protect her position at the helm. She did a good job of Ming Vasing.

the Queen was born into that role, she was bound by tradition, protocol, legislation etc. in her position I would be wise enough to know you can't boil the ocean, her life and time on the throne was a marathon not a sprint, and it was in her family's best interests to keep that continuity, she sure as hell knew the perception of monarchy by the end of her life was diminishing and not nearly as strong as it was in her earlier years.

@TheLightSideOfTheMoon

apparently she chased after Pp. plenty of people meets as teenagers, it isn’t always a problem, my parents were 14&17, still married 56 years later

I don't know the lady personally. Thinking of her as a public figure mostly - this is where my post goes

She did more than that - she exercised her ability to exempt her family from specific taxation, significantly enriching her own at the expense of the public purse.

I have been hearing people saying : The Queen was our national pride and joy, the one who kept the UK looking so special and spectacular, this is why Trump wanted to dine in the Palaces halls and be sat next to the future Queen - do you think this is still the case for the world politicians?

What a stupid thing to say.

I never had time for any of them. Pretending to work as ribbon cutters and hand wavers, while being chauffered in a high top Daimler, nodding at those stupid enough to support them.

TBH those who support the RF are no better than MAGA. Same cultish followers.

You are going to have to fill me in here? Why the sudden ill talk of the dead? Is this to do with Epstein?

Possibly. Andrew was supposedly QEII's favourite