Is the reputation of the last Queen salvageable ?

[SomeoneCalled]

Many of us respected and thought so well of the Queen. What now?

We respected the English monarchy until we came here and started actually reading in proper English and understanding how much rotten the inner working is behind the facade

Thanks for finally stating your view.

(British monarchy, BTW - the Crown has been united across the UK for several centuries now)

Loathe the whole rotten firm.
Viva la revolution

What a staggeringly grand sweeping statement you make with pretty much zero grounds to say that.

Do you personally know all of the tens of millions of British people for whom the Queen was a central public figure throughout their lives ?

how can you know what people felt about her, in her life or in her death.

Judging by the people who travelled from every corner of the UK to pay their last respects that was a lot of people whose life was in some way influenced culturally, nationally, even personally by her long reign. Neither you or I know what drew them to Westminster Abbey but let's hazard a guess that it wasn't just a day trip jolly, it was because of the influence she had on their memory of growing up with Queen Elizabeth II and in many cases that they had known no other monarch.

you don't have to like anything about her but you can allow for the fact that others feel differently,

She wasn't born into the role of Queen, her uncle abdicated in 1936 when she was about 10. It must have come as quite a shock to a young girl to have suddenly had that that thrust upon her

She wasn't born to the role of Queen. Her Father was second in line but had to step up after Edward VIII proved unsuited to the role. George died young and she ascended the throne in her very early twenties.

The role of Monarch wasn't then something the incumbent could mould to their own wishes; it was a tightly constrained and formal role.

Of course mistakes were made. The response to Diana's death was one and having to be heavily persuaded to visit Aberfan after a coal tip slide killed over a hundred children another.

Indulging he second son is the one that is a stain on her reputation.

On the whole though she did what was expected and did it well.

Edward VIII didn’t prove unsuited to the role. He abdicated in order to marry a divorcee.

There’s little scope in a hereditary monarchy for anyone to decide that a monarch is unsuited to the role.

Agree.

This is a very weird thread.

Princess Margaret could have married Townsend if she wanted to but would have to relinquish her Royal status and all.the perks that went with it. No way was she going to wave ta-ta to that!!. She was heartbroken for about 5 minutes then along came Anthony Armstrong Jones 😆 Edward had to abdicate because he couldn't marry a divorcee and be King.
I bet Margaret and Edward are spinning jn their graves now, looking at the Monarchh of today!!

She did her duty.

being monarch is I think a mostly very boring life where you are at the whims of others a lot of the time with no power to actually do very much.

i prefer my freedom.

she did not expect to be queen and she did a good job.

we’ve had many far far worse monarchs.

sure she had blind spots and got things wrong, people do. Especially about their own children. But she did her duty.

It wasn't just marrying a divorcee, he was a Nazi sympathiser.

Not as if parker Bowles’s is any better. They’re all rancid

Have you actually read the history of Edward VIII.

Marrying Wallis Simpson was a useful and clear reason to be rid. There was a lot of other stuff too.

Oh he was a terrible person.

But terrible people inherit in a hereditary system.

It was supposedly known in certain circles that Edward had "male companions" while Wallis had her own male "friends" ☺️

No.

Judging by the people who travelled from every corner of the UK to pay their last respects that was a lot of people whose life was in some way influenced culturally, nationally, even personally by her long reign.

Those people were there (at the funeral anyway) by diplomatic convention and invitation. Definitely not representative of the general population at all IMV. In fact those who genuinely liked and admired QE2 were most likely not to be there at all.

The people who queued for hours and travelled many miles to file past her coffin weren’t there by diplomatic convention or invitation. They went from choice. History will judge her much more kindly than people are now.

I was referring to the funeral, not the file past.

That was then, this is now. I do agree that a lot of her legacy will be rose tinted and airbrushed though.

And the person you responded to was referring to the file past and the turnout as the coffin travelled. History takes a broader and more objective view, good historians aren’t given to putting a gloss on fact.

OK, OK, you win. 😊

Amazes me how some people have the time and inclination to bat so much for the RF. They are just like us in every way apart from their shenanigans and their wealth.

Rubbish. She went on a visit with a parents to the Naval college. They played tennis. They didn’t start a relationship until much much later on.

Well most people don't like changing their minds once they're made up.

There's a lot to be said for longevity and stoicism which the Queen had in spaces.

What AMW, his conduct and how it was covered up might have in terms of impact on how we view her, yes I'm sure it has done a lot of damage. I don't think this story will ever fully go away either and I think it will be revisited and dramatized in years to come.

I think she will still be well regarded by many, I think it has damaged her for many too. I think it'll be a mix. That reflects how many feel too, mixed feelings.

I also think we'll find out a lot more about the scandal, but maybe a long time in the future. There's more to come for sure.

well, sorry for this. She was a head of church and once I believed in that church also

What exactly has she left behind ?
Nothing except extra billions for her own family and a history of cover ups of sexual and financial abuse

They are a corrupt family and they are getting away with it. I saw William questioned yesterday by a man who asked something like ‘ how long have you known about Andrew?’

Thats the question we all want an answer to .
William mocked the man by pretending not to hear . William is useless so I don’t expect much from him . But he’s the next head of state and head of the Church of England and THAT is his response?

But yet again the questioner was taken aside by a policeman and asked why he asked the question! The policeman then asked for the man’s details which the man declined to give. On what basis did the policeman do that ?

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