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Any Americans on here? What is the feeling in America regarding trump?

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FedUpWithDilemmas · 17/01/2026 17:46

I've only seen one person talking out against him regarding Greenland. I know this can't be representative to reality. But I wonder what the media is controlling

What's going on in America?

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YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 19:40

Theseventhmagpie · 18/01/2026 12:28

Thanks OP for posting this thread, I was going to start a similar thread.
It’s the Americans who voted for Trump that I’d most like to hear from.

I didn't vote for him in 2016. I wrote in my wife's name. I did vote for him last year. Primarily because of the trans issue and the border. I would not do so again and many of the centrists who did vote for him are actively campaigning congresspeople to do their job and check presidential power. But our system is slow and difficult to navigate. Change can be hard.

But I absolutely hate how he is implementing policy. Especially the deportation raids. Why are we antagonizing Europe? Surely we can work out our disagreements.

It is unreal that poor folks in south Chicago have their resources taken for migrants. I thought we didn't have money for that kind of thing. Why is a 21 yr old fighting age man staying in a lovely hotel while there are homeless veterans on the street. One of the most impactful things to happen in 2024 was bussing migrants from TX to Chicago, Denver, and NY. It is easy to call yourself a sanctuary city until you actually have to deal with the realities. This burden should not be on TX alone. If cities are so in favor of economic migrants, they should have no problem housing and feeding them. But of course, this didn't happen. They couldn't ship them out fast enough.

All of this stuff contributed to a Trump win. But he's losing support from mainstream republicans and we are hearing rumors of a big policy change on ICE enforcement.

YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 19:42

GameofPhones · 18/01/2026 12:48

Musk could probably outbid him though.

Yes. The rumor is 1 million dollars and guarantees of maintaining existing social services.

bombastix · 18/01/2026 19:43

God that would give the Greenlanders better terms than ordinary Americans

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 19:45

YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 19:40

I didn't vote for him in 2016. I wrote in my wife's name. I did vote for him last year. Primarily because of the trans issue and the border. I would not do so again and many of the centrists who did vote for him are actively campaigning congresspeople to do their job and check presidential power. But our system is slow and difficult to navigate. Change can be hard.

But I absolutely hate how he is implementing policy. Especially the deportation raids. Why are we antagonizing Europe? Surely we can work out our disagreements.

It is unreal that poor folks in south Chicago have their resources taken for migrants. I thought we didn't have money for that kind of thing. Why is a 21 yr old fighting age man staying in a lovely hotel while there are homeless veterans on the street. One of the most impactful things to happen in 2024 was bussing migrants from TX to Chicago, Denver, and NY. It is easy to call yourself a sanctuary city until you actually have to deal with the realities. This burden should not be on TX alone. If cities are so in favor of economic migrants, they should have no problem housing and feeding them. But of course, this didn't happen. They couldn't ship them out fast enough.

All of this stuff contributed to a Trump win. But he's losing support from mainstream republicans and we are hearing rumors of a big policy change on ICE enforcement.

I hope you’re right. Do you know other Trump voters that are likely to change their vote next time?

I was wondering whether there might be a military / first responder contingent that voted for him, that might not be happy with what ICE is doing and the Greenland threats? What do you think?

YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 19:48

FellowSuffereroftheAbsurd · 18/01/2026 12:48

There are many polls and discussions out there, and as others said, when dealing with the feelings of hundreds of millions of people, especially with a culture that has pushed more division, those feelings will vary widely even within what may be seen as the same demographic.

Personally, I am happier when the US gets pushback from the wider international community. While I agree that the world state at the moment has put power into too few hands leaving others struggling to stand up to them, I think in our best interests is to at least work towards reducing that power monopoly rather than crumbling under it.

Surely our best interest lies in ensuring the US remains a steadfast economic and military ally by acquiesing on this issue although it is painful.

The US government already regularly threatens financial institutions outside its own territories for information on people. It did this even before the government under Obama brought in FATCA, it's only grown exponentially since then to the point that banking in the UK is impacted by US laws and threats. Rolling over so far has only encouraged the US governments to go farther.

I get wanting to keep one of the bullies happy, but that's a short term solution at best.

I lived in a red state many many years ago in a rural area and it’s going to sound mean but there a lot of really dumb people out there.

I lived in a swing state that became a deep red state in large part because those who would vote Democrat stopped voting at all or went third party out of lack of trust and anger after the large mess and dismissal that first Clinton and later Obama did to those 'fly over states' and those who swung voted more Republican in anger.

There are abysmal schools in every state, particularly in cities - and US cities have largely been run by Democrats - as much like many other places including the UK, governments have cut spending and tried to place a lot of control on schools. It's not specifically a rural issue, and making it one is part of the problem. It's not rural vs urban, as much people like to paint.

And really, calling people dumb may feel good, but it has little benefit.

I lived in rural ALABAMA so I do know what actual hillbillies are like.

If you were around very pro-government, pro US people in the south, you're likely not talking about hillbillies, but American Evangelical Southerners - since the 70s when they became politicalised, it's been a big thing about American best and not much else matters beyond the US and their ideas of God. They're the ones entangled in the Trump stuff, not the hillbillies who in general hate all governments.

Alabama is only relevant if you were in Appalachia. I know there is this idea that the farther south you go, the more hillbillies, even within the US, but hillbillies specifically are from the Appalachian and Ozarks areas, so go as far north as eastern Canada and in Appalachia, most are closer to the middle of the mountain chain, near the Virginias.

Appalachians in general, are very anti-government. At all. That's why communities were build in the mountains. The entire stereotype is build around them not keeping up with technology that is difficult to put up in the mountain and thus falling behind in education and culture. They are more likely to fall for that Freeman of the land scam as it suits them, but - in general, they aren't a homogenous group - Appalachians don't trust politicians - great at other community organising, great at helping others in a disaster, but in general, have a distaste for political stuff - not surprising when we've seen recently how politicians treat Appalachians during a disaster.

I just feel if Trump is determined to get Greenland should this be a hill we did on in support of Denmark and it's sovreignty of an arctic territory where historically the native people have not been treated well.

American and British troops don't use rape as a weapon of war.

Many people keeps reminding of how Denmark has treated the indigenous populations of Greenland - it's well documented how the Americans governments have treated the indigenous populations, and yes it does involve rape, it involves taking girls as 'translators' to rape them for many years, there are millions of indigenous girls and women missing in the US now, not historically.

But, we Americans are pretty radical when it comes to speech.

I find the US likes to talk a lot about how radical it is on free speech, but not really do it in practice. I mean, it's within living memory where many American Indigenous religious practices and speech on those practices were federally banned including things like traditional dancing & singing, and in some areas those practices are still under contention with uneasiness with local authorities.

There are also multiple cases of people being arrested and jailed for social media shite, just like those Americans who go on about free speech love to point at UK and the rest of Europe for doing. Shocker - the authoritarian US government acts authoritarian when it can, even if it's against the general principles the country claims to stand on, because there are little consequences when it does so.

Native Americans were conquered. It took over 300 years. And I think it is insulting to all of the natives who fought bravely to say they just got run over. TX was only able to stop the genocidal Commanche tribe when the revolver was invited in the 1860s. Commanches would travel and slaughter and torture other natives and it was the TX rangers who put a stop to it.

War and conquest are the nature of our world. From Ghengis to Alexander, our world is nothing but people fighting over pieces of dirt. I don't like it. But it is an unfortunate reality.

YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 19:55

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 19:45

I hope you’re right. Do you know other Trump voters that are likely to change their vote next time?

I was wondering whether there might be a military / first responder contingent that voted for him, that might not be happy with what ICE is doing and the Greenland threats? What do you think?

Well Trump can't run again. But it will be interesting to see if Vance takes the torch. He's an incredibly smart guy and a good politician. I could see him implementing popular policy without pissing off 1/2 the country.

But I suspect after 8 years of Trump, dems will win in 2028. Americans are exhausted by this counterproductive stupidity.

Goldenbear · 18/01/2026 20:05

YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 19:03

I don't want to overstate that. I'm only suggesting that Americans are sensitive to this kind of thing.

I mean, Posey Parker, Lineman, JK Rowling are doing the Lord's work to protect women's rights. And they are attacked and harassed by the state. I deeply respect what these people are doing and I find it discouraging that the UK, the literal beacon of free speech in the world, are attacking them for promoting biological reality. Similar stuff happens here. I feel like we are all in clown world.

I think I mentioned this above, but the single most effective Trump add was "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for you." Centrists and right-wing Americans are tired of being called bigots for trying to protect our daughters right to not have predatory and fetishistic men in the ladies room.

I love the UK. Especially its philosophers and thinkers. So it is just really surprising to see the the move towards Continental philosophy of the French and Germans. Many Americans feel a kinship with the UK. We have a shared system of values. We recognize the sacrifices the UK makes as an ally of the US. We see the UK history of opposing slavery. Progression of voting rights in the 18th century. Some would like to see more unity in the Anglosphere. More trade, perhaps free trade.

Sorry for the ramble.

What's "continental thinking", do you realise the shortest distance from England to France is 21 miles across the channel. A flight to Denmark from London takes an hour and a half! I'm not sure why that's a problem, why is it a choice?

Goldenbear · 18/01/2026 20:06

Goldenbear · 18/01/2026 20:05

What's "continental thinking", do you realise the shortest distance from England to France is 21 miles across the channel. A flight to Denmark from London takes an hour and a half! I'm not sure why that's a problem, why is it a choice?

Apologies, that should be, "continental philosophy"?

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 20:06

YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 19:55

Well Trump can't run again. But it will be interesting to see if Vance takes the torch. He's an incredibly smart guy and a good politician. I could see him implementing popular policy without pissing off 1/2 the country.

But I suspect after 8 years of Trump, dems will win in 2028. Americans are exhausted by this counterproductive stupidity.

Well, we hope he can’t run again… I’m referring to MAGA, you’re right, and unfortunately, possibly JD Vance. Although I suspect we’ll have him as a president during this term.

With the speed at which Trump has done horrendous things, it’s hard to imagine what it might be like by then.

Goldenbear · 18/01/2026 20:10

YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 19:48

Native Americans were conquered. It took over 300 years. And I think it is insulting to all of the natives who fought bravely to say they just got run over. TX was only able to stop the genocidal Commanche tribe when the revolver was invited in the 1860s. Commanches would travel and slaughter and torture other natives and it was the TX rangers who put a stop to it.

War and conquest are the nature of our world. From Ghengis to Alexander, our world is nothing but people fighting over pieces of dirt. I don't like it. But it is an unfortunate reality.

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With that kind of apathetic, fatalistic mentality, you're right, that will be everyone's reality!

oscalo · 18/01/2026 20:14

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 20:06

Well, we hope he can’t run again… I’m referring to MAGA, you’re right, and unfortunately, possibly JD Vance. Although I suspect we’ll have him as a president during this term.

With the speed at which Trump has done horrendous things, it’s hard to imagine what it might be like by then.

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You say Vance might become President this term. Let's say it's the result of deteriorating dementia or other psychiatric or life threatening medical issues in Trump, who's going to tell him to get the hell out of Dodge and that Vance is now taking over? Is there a mechanism for replacing him while he's in office - due to incapacity if he refuses to leave? I know Vance would take over immediately if Trump dies in office.

MikeRafone · 18/01/2026 20:14

YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 19:42

Yes. The rumor is 1 million dollars and guarantees of maintaining existing social services.

Would you actually trust this money to show up?

bombastix · 18/01/2026 20:18

MikeRafone · 18/01/2026 20:14

Would you actually trust this money to show up?

Well given the fact that Trump changed the tariffs on his “allies” after legally agreeing to them I guess that would be foolish

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 20:23

oscalo · 18/01/2026 20:14

You say Vance might become President this term. Let's say it's the result of deteriorating dementia or other psychiatric or life threatening medical issues in Trump, who's going to tell him to get the hell out of Dodge and that Vance is now taking over? Is there a mechanism for replacing him while he's in office - due to incapacity if he refuses to leave? I know Vance would take over immediately if Trump dies in office.

Yes, I was thinking more along the lines that he doesn’t have that long to live. But yes, there are mechanisms,

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/01/2026 20:41

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 20:23

Yes, I was thinking more along the lines that he doesn’t have that long to live. But yes, there are mechanisms,

What are they?

Pallisers · 18/01/2026 20:47

America obviously has intel that China and Russia are both planning to take over Greenland, which is also close to American shores.

God bless your naivety.

And there is that thing called NATO for just such an eventuality(should it even be likely). The only country to call on the NATO doctrine of an attack on one is an attack on all is the US - after 9/11. Ironically enough the Danes were one of the first NATO countries to respond.

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 21:00

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/01/2026 20:41

What are they?

I mean, are you suggesting they don’t exist? Or are you wanting me to give you a rundown on this specific part of American politics?

25th amendment - https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt25-1/ALDE_00013871/

intotheforestfor17seconds · 18/01/2026 21:34

YourGoldSquid · 18/01/2026 10:07

This is an insane take.

Sure, the communist chinese who monitor their people, suppress speech and put Muslims in concentration camps are much better than those damn Americans.

Perhaps Brits and Americans should adopt social credit scores that determine if we can bank, travel, or buy certain products. China is the beacon of freedom and democracy in our modern age. Jesus.

You hate Trump but praise Xi? Absolute insanity.

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Surely in boycotting US products, you should be diverting your money to your own neighbourhood - that means buying British and European. Read Vassal State by Angus Hanton. It's an eye opener.

Goldwren1923 · 18/01/2026 22:17

Pallisers · 18/01/2026 20:47

America obviously has intel that China and Russia are both planning to take over Greenland, which is also close to American shores.

God bless your naivety.

And there is that thing called NATO for just such an eventuality(should it even be likely). The only country to call on the NATO doctrine of an attack on one is an attack on all is the US - after 9/11. Ironically enough the Danes were one of the first NATO countries to respond.

lol.
thats the card Putin played when he took over Crimea 😂. And then Ukranian invasion. Do you not understand how dumb that sounds?
how on earth Russia can take over Greenland? They aren’t that close and Russia is bogged down in Ukraine.
have you checked how far China is? Not that easy to just suddenly “take over” either.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/01/2026 23:23

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 21:00

I mean, are you suggesting they don’t exist? Or are you wanting me to give you a rundown on this specific part of American politics?

25th amendment - https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt25-1/ALDE_00013871/

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I'm asking you about the mechanisms in place, to unseat a sitting US President.

What are they?
How do they work?
Who enacts them?

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 23:31

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/01/2026 23:23

I'm asking you about the mechanisms in place, to unseat a sitting US President.

What are they?
How do they work?
Who enacts them?

You can read it and figure it out, I’m not your internet researcher. But as we know, Trump and his friends are not really into the constitution anymore, so who knows.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/01/2026 23:39

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 23:31

You can read it and figure it out, I’m not your internet researcher. But as we know, Trump and his friends are not really into the constitution anymore, so who knows.

The whole world is now aware of US President Trump's lack of regard for the law or anything else.

What mechanisms does the USA have to contain him if he goes off?

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 23:50

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/01/2026 23:39

The whole world is now aware of US President Trump's lack of regard for the law or anything else.

What mechanisms does the USA have to contain him if he goes off?

I understand your question. I’m just not going to answer it for you. I don’t think we’re on different sides of this, if sides are relevant here. But if you have a point, which I’m sure you might do, make it yourself.

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/01/2026 00:24

Hanginging · 18/01/2026 23:50

I understand your question. I’m just not going to answer it for you. I don’t think we’re on different sides of this, if sides are relevant here. But if you have a point, which I’m sure you might do, make it yourself.

That's a very convoluted non-answer to a very simple question.Confused

Hanginging · 19/01/2026 00:25

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/01/2026 00:24

That's a very convoluted non-answer to a very simple question.Confused

If it’s simple, then why are you asking it? This is a waste of time. I genuinely don’t understand what your point is? I’m not sure why you don’t just explain?