If Labour raises taxes what will you think?

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Typing on my phone so not sure I can do a poll? But, if the government raises income tax or NI at the budget, will you think:

A - let’s get real, they had no other choice
B - those duplicitous / inept bastards

They are 121 times as entitled to moan, because that is the difference in the amount of tax they pay.

£679.28 versus £82.213.32

I still never mentioned salary ranges though did i? which is what you claimed.

Someone on 125k is paying approx 38% in tax/ni, if they don't have children, its less.

Savings and Pensions are a personal choice, you'll get it all back plus growth, again funded by the tax payer (ISA's and Pensions relief)

Why should people on 100k, get free childcare? you chose to have kids? free CC is costing around 12billion, then there is child benefit, thats billions too.

Funny how when it comes to redistribution, these two benefits are sacred cows.

Why should my taxes to go to people on almost treble the average wage??? (i had to work and pay for childcare) why can't everyone else???

When did disagreeing with someone become "Gaslighting and Guilt tripping" i'm more concerned with language like "Robbed/Rinsed/redistributed to all and sundry" why not just call them "breeders?"

Its the language of the far right and will lead to a return of the "deserving/undeserving" poor.

Just because you get tax relief on a pension or ISA doesn’t mean that it is “funded by the taxpayer”.

That’s the same crazy logic used with VAT on private schools. Which completely fails to recognise the real saving of the alternative state funded school place.

What the broadest shoulders / heavy lifters want is respect and gratitude. They do not want to be told how selfish they are when already contributing £50k a year in income tax and NI.

There is a nasty trait in this country to hate people who have become financially successful. It’s very sad to see.

Uh? its foregone taxes, that money has to be made up by taxing another area more.
How else do you think that money is raised if not from the tax payer?

I ve been a higher rate tax payer, i never wanted "Respect and gratitude" how pompous!

Perhaps a little bit of respect and gratitude should be shown to people who do adult social care but also claim the benefits that allow them to have a meagre existence?

What they get is being called names.

No one hates people who have money, i ve never seen that but what does annoy is when these people keep going on and on and on about how hard done by they are.

Respect and gratitude for paying your tax? I’ve heard it all now.

Paying the tax is voluntary, richer people can drop their hours and leave the country and plenty are doing it! It is right there in front of your own eyes, if you bother looking. There is a net outflow of taxpayers, talent and a brain drain of the young!

And do not blame them if other countries support them more. The Millenials and younger know this and you lot are just digging your head in the sand.

And every person having kids should get the childcare and tax deductions for the kids. We actually want educated persons in households with some wealth to have more children, not the opposite! You actually need to bother investing in the next generation. Other countries are doing it. Why are we so thick! There is a birth rate crisis happening. We know kids from hard working parent with education produce more of the same. We need to support all of them.
But they have robbed Peter to pay Paul. How stupid!

Respect and Gratitude for Net contributors. We are valuable and rare!

I was a net contributor for most of my working life because I earned a lot of money and made no demands of the state. I didn’t demand respect and gratitude, when did this become a thing?

When did it become a thing? I would say post covid when welfare and dependency exploded.

When did HENRY’s become a thing? A while back, because of house price inflation. You have a whole generation of high earners taxed through the roof here who cannot afford a lifestyle like they would in many other countries. The shielded ones are only those with bank of mum and dad. Everybody knows this to be the case.
But now you also have a whole lot of middle earning professionals teachers, nurses, police etc in dual income households mightily pissed off! Labour was meant to be the party of LABOUR, that means of people who work. Not the welfare party! And that is why they are going to get crucified. Do not shoot the messenger. And they are way behind on their housebuilding targets and offered nothing there to the young either. It is all around shambolic.

Do you really think most of us believe shoving some money into the hands of supposed poorer children and families who are mostly desperate for secure housing above all else, which Government have failed to deliver, is going to do anything more than just rob us and our own children?
It is not that people do not want to support poorer children. They just do not believe the narrative one bit. They also know that some of this is an attempt to bribe reform voters. But again, the reform voters do not like state dependency as a concept. They want dignity. It is all there in plain view if you bother looking. Causing further divisions between different factions of families is toxic. It is not kind or the right thing. People want dignity and to be asked nicely and they do not want their intelligence insulted above all else!!!

When workhouses first started, fit men were the most poorly treated within them because it was felt there was no justification for them not to be working and contributing. In more recent times there is plenty of what is called ‘benefits bashing’. So clearly there has been underlying respect for not depending on the state and contributing to society for very long time.

Labour will get obliterated in the May26 local elections. The anger is building over the complete injustice of welfare.

And they'll get a hiding at the Senedd elections too.

But again, the reform voters do not like state dependency as a concept

Why did Farage promise to lift the two child benefit cap then?.

Probably yes. Some results came in at 45% for Reform at a council by election today that’s pre fragmentation type results.

The two-child cap is a difficult one to justify as a way to stop dependence by parents because children still need to be clothed and fed.

Plus, perhaps more in keeping with Farage’s ethos, we need more children in this country to support the economy. Currently the gaps are filled by immigration but that is akin to a Ponzi scheme, and in any case not in line with Reform.

Immigration did work for many years when we were getting the skilled and hardworking immigrants who contributed. Immigrants arriving skilled and educated and staying and paying is a good thing. 100k asylum seekers with little skills many of whom are actually economic migrants with values that conflict with ours, is a bad thing for the economy. We need some honesty from politicians. Every single uneducated unassimilated fake asylum seeker costs society. Every single educated economic migrant doctor or IT worker potentially benefits society, especially if they stay here, have 2-3 kids who do well at school.

Again, I do not think that most people are against taking our fair share of genuine asylum seekers, to a reasonable extent.

Every single educated economic migrant doctor or IT worker potentially benefits society

Does it? Nearly half of the expensively trained FY2 qualifying UK doctors were left unemployed last summer due to migrant doctors filling training posts.

“Does it? Nearly half of the expensively trained FY2 qualifying UK doctors were left unemployed last summer due to migrant doctors filling training posts.”

I think that is a system oddity to do with supervision requirements and NHS bottlenecks. We should aim to keep our own and have others, if we need that for our ageing demographic. If it costs 500k to train a doctor here (cannot remember the exact figure), it is still a gain taking an overseas one, as well as keeping our own.

What we do not want is Farage getting in, which looks likely now, and deterring even more skilled immigrants who pay a lot of taxes from staying, because they are scared of racism and the general vibe.
If Farage changes the narrative to good and bad immigrants and we need to support everyone having children, including at the top levels, that may well work. I think the man will do whatever it takes to get in anyway. I doubt he is just going to focus on the racists and bigots. That won’t win an election.

No, it is to do with not being able to give priority to British applicants over foreign applicants. There were about 10,000 FY2 qualifying candidates and about 10,000 specialist training places which is the next step for them to progress into - and over 20,000 foreign applicants for those places. Nearly half of British FY2s were left unemployed as the places on specialist training were taken by foreign applicants who would migrate here. (British in this context meaning those resident here, and foreign meaning those overseas with no prior residency rights).

I thought that was sorted out now @RoostingHens and Wes Streeting promised priority for British F2s going forward?

Its already happening, the numbers of EU citizens leaving, with right to remain are pouring out of the UK.
One reason immigration is at lows not seen for a decade.

From graphs i ve seen, the numbers leaving the UK, are in line with trends from 2016, wonder what happened then and who gave us that??

Glad we agree on at least one thing - Farage, good news is Reform have fallen slightly in the voting intention polls.

Can't get my head round why the Tories are even more unpopular than Labour.

There are a lot more female medical grads these days and many will want to have children and potentially work part time for a few years when kids young. This should be supported and we need more not less doctors given the demographic changes. Every single one of my female friends did eventually make it to consultant, just took a bit longer due to having kids.

It would be good if the NHS provided childcare, on site, for all grades, trouble is no one wants to pay for these sorts of things