If Labour raises taxes what will you think?

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Typing on my phone so not sure I can do a poll? But, if the government raises income tax or NI at the budget, will you think:

A - let’s get real, they had no other choice
B - those duplicitous / inept bastards

I’m searching for remote UAE jobs I can do from the UK.

Good luck

With the last budget, it took a while for it to sink in and people realise it is bad.

Let’s also remember this is timed to coincide with the US thanksgiving holiday.

Rachel from accounts has pulled some accounting tricks for sure. And kept her backbenchers happy. But, the markets and people see the truth. And therein lies the risk.

“Our overall tax burden is still far lower than most countries in Europe, whose public services we so admire.......”

@Alexandra2001 - sadly not for those of us around the highest marginal tax rates and our children who are likely to pick up the professional jobs too.

It is simply the case now that a lot of other countries over this demographic a better tax deal and hence the brain drain. Gaslighting us does not work. We know the truth. And that is the scary part. It would be better to ask nicely. The Tories screwed the professional classes with the highest progressive tax rates already. Some acknowledgement from Labour in that regard would be welcome! There is literally nothing keeping middle professionals here long term.

I just find threads like this so incredibly depressing. I don’t want to think that people have no empathy, or understanding of their own good fortune, but I’m beginning to think it’s true. It was the poster who was complaining that her tax bill was higher than some people’s take home pay that did it for me. Just….wow.

@CurlewKate - you are missing the point. Many highest rate tax payers in London have dual nationality and the Government should be more on the case. It is not about empathy. Why should their kids owe more to this country than another country they also have nationality of? They will choose the places that offer them the best future. We are not offering much. It is a big risk.

Very true.

They might feel their empathy is better expressed by using their money to grow their business, employ more people, buy goods and services offered by those on lower incomes, than by giving to Labour to spend on giving away Chagos, building a digital ID system, a for-profit death service, or spend on a so-called clinical trial giving drugs know to be harmful to children indoctrinated into a belief system by a government-funded DEI industry.

How much more tax are you paying due to the budget?

I think the virtue signalling and gaslighting is the most offensive part! Why not level honestly with your key workers and key taxpayers who hold up the whole system? That is what I would do. Ask nicely and thank and flatter and explain. Not this!

Geez no you’ve got to demand more and then tell them they’re selfish at the same time. It’s the Labour way. Starmer and Reeves version anyway.

Do you think it would be possible for you to refrain from using the misogynistic "Rachel from accounts" reference every time you post about the Chancellor? We all know you don't like her - it drips like venom from every word in your posts - but it is possible to refer to people, even those you vehemently despise, without resorting to such phrases.

I do not despise the Chancellor, nice try! I just do not think she is particularly competent and I do not like how the Labour backbenchers have bullied her and the country into this budget. And last time I checked this is a free country where we get to express our opinions freely.
And in fact, the “accounting tricks” were a compliment.

Leave then? its apparently simple easy enough to do.

Fed up with people moaning about their marginal tax rates when they earn 125k p.a

I don't recall all this constant bellyaching when the previous Govt raised rates, the amount Labour have taken the tax take to is only slightly above, in % terms to what Sunak did.

Its 0.3% extra against GDP in 2025/26 (38.3%) 38% of GDP in 23/24

I know a few who have the UK and its nothing to do with tax, its stress, low pay for the work load, public services, crappy schools

You want these improved? then pay for this, as mainland Europe does, if you don't, leave for somewhere better.

”I know a few who have the UK and its nothing to do with tax, its stress, low pay for the work load, public services, crappy schools”

@Alexandra2001 - and you assume that does not apply to those on the highest marginal tax rates? No stress in our jobs? No crap services for us which we have more than paid for? Really?

Which planet do you live on to assume those paid well have low stress jobs?

I said you didn't like the Chancellor, not that you (specifically you) despised her. Where I said "people you vehemently despise", I was using 'you' generically.

It wasn't the phrase "accounting tricks" that I objected to. It was the phrase "Rachel from accounts" that is problematic. Did you think I wouldn't notice you trying to justify your phraseology whilst swerving the real point?

Oh no, I won't be lectured on the phraseology of Rachel from Accounts. She made her platform on the run up to the general election of being the economist chancellor - she was going to wrangle the markets with the skill of a boe head honcho. But she lied on her CV and she lied to the electorate about her experience and role.

It was a blunder that framed the incompetence of the last budget in which she identified the real need for growth on the one hand but hobbled businesses at the knees with the other. Sheer incompetence. And we are all paying for it.

What real point? That Rachel Reeves is worried about her own budget so pulled the sexism card all over this week? To try and shut people up about her own competency? And her previous embellishment of her own credentials?
Pulling the sexism card is actually the most misogynist thing you can do to womanhood. Be stronger than that, I say.

And what planet do live you on where you think i that i made any mention of salary ranges??

Because i didn't.

If only people could read what is written rather than jumping to conclusions.

Phillip Hammond said she had a point.

Plus, given the markets, who have now had time to digest the Budget, all is well, Government borrowing costs have stayed at the levels they fell too yesterday.

@Upstartled I'd really like to know what "We are ALL paying for..." for most people, they aren't.

Very little has changed since the last budget aside that interest rates have fallen, average salaries have outstripped inflation, 450k more people in work.... & the UK has grown faster than in the previous 18months prior to the GE.

The level of entitlement in this thread astounds me. Those of us who are in middle to high paying jobs haven’t exactly got our feet up. I’d argue we are in a more stressful position in some ways. It’s a different type of stress. I hate how it’s minimised. As a middle earner in a healthcare role, I feel stuck in a perpetual hamster wheel working back to back Monday to Friday where my bills are rising but my salary isn’t. It’s pretty demoralising.

@Alexandra2001 - low pay for the workload and tax are one and the same thing if you are on PAYE. People are not idiots. It’s take home plus benefits that matter. What you ultimately have to spend on niceties and savings/pensions after debt. If the taxman has decided to rob you to redistribute to all and sundry and we are talking here about educated persons largely with financial literacy no amount of guilt tripping and gaslighting will do. It doesn’t matter if Labour is the straw that broke the camel’s back after the Tories.

There’s just so many net takers now in our country. Far too many happy to live off benefits. Making the squeeze on the net contributors deeply unfair and unsustainable.

agree. She is massively out of her depth, is objectively doing a very poor job, but trying to reframe legitimate criticism as misogyny.

Why shouldn't anyone shouldering the tax burden be able to moan. Those that earn 200k are as entitled to moan as those on 15k.

You want these improved? then pay for this, as mainland Europe does, if you don't, leave for somewhere better.

That means the poor paying more too.