Why have the British lost confidence in their nation to the extent that Remainers wish to join a European Union instead of being confident in independence?

[Libra1509]

The powerful Victorians would never have tolerated this! Why can’t Brits be like Victorians?

Guess what - its not the 1800s. We have anitbiotics, vaccines and education for the common oicks. Its no longer legal and socially acceptable for men to beat their spouses to death and 50% of women don’t die directly or indirectly from childbirth. Most children live to see their first birthday.

Try reading actual history instead of the Ladybird Book of Great Victorians printed in 1955.

<checks clock>. oh yes, traditional chucking out time in ye olde Britain.

I’m really disappointed, you put two sentences in your post when I just thought it would be a single ‘x’

Melbourne’s a nice enough city but I’m not sure what else there is in Victoria to aspire to, particularly.

I suppose I could get behind importing a penguin for everyone.

We no longer have the power to act like America, Russia or China does or to overrule them.

Alright Nige? Tommy out tonight leaving you lonely with your rage? Chill mate.

It’s not about losing confidence in the nation, it’s about being fiscally smart, Brexit is a financial disaster.

Because we're not living in the 19th century?

We no longer have all the (stolen) wealth and power of the empire and child labour is frowned upon so we'll just have to live in these times and accept that we've royally fucked over our own country!

I wanted to rejoin the second remaining became impossible. Wanting to remain and wanting to rejoin are both signs of my confidence in the UK (or in its constituent countries, if a breakup is the best route to rejoining); I wouldn't want to join the EU if the UK's membership would be a liability.

Hi Jacob Rees-Mogg! Mumsnet is the last place I expected to find you.

ive never read such shite in my life

Surely a joke post.

Why shouldn't we want to join the biggest trading block on the planet....that should be the question....

Not sure what you are blabbering in about OP - we are not victorians, we don’t have empires, we are not all powerful, we don’t have much ‘clout’ - so what the victorians would do is irrelevant

I voted to remain. If we could rejoin, I’d agree to it in a heartbeat. Sadly we are heading in the other direction with Farage likely to eliminate many of the sensible laws we have.
Safety in numbers.

Oh, it’s you again under another name change. Do I take it you didn’t take up that university offer then?

You assumed wrongly in our case.

Oh is this the poster who is constantly raving about Cambridge?

I wan’tt trying to make an argument, thick or thin. I just assumed Remainers were more cosmopolitan, travelled regularly or had links aboard through family or work.

But why would you assume you needed to be cosmopolitan or well-travelled in order to recognise the benefits of a larger ‘home’ market, a collective voice on a global stage etc?

I think it’s easier for people to understand the benefits of working with other counties and cultures if you have traveled - not essential but certainly more likely

the east and west coast of the US have a very different culture to the central bits and it is believed that is directly related to the number of passports held in those areas

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast what does that have to do with feeling connected? I’m pretty patriotic but I’ve also got a good business head and a business and I’m British born and bred and white as driven snow. I can see when making the country400 billion down for little fiscal gain is a pointless exercise in dogma and designed to appeal to those with little commercial reality !!

Why are you mentioning your skin colour?

You mentioned “heritage elsewhere” in an earlier post. I think your meaning was clear to most people.

What a very strange OP.
We are not living in Victorian times. We don't (thankfully) have a massive Empire. We are not the largest industrial nation.
We are a very small Island.