“Tax the wealthy” (RR budget) what does this even mean?

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I don’t remember anxiously waiting for budgets like we have the last few years earlier on in my adulthood. But when you read statements like this (as I have seen in the headlines today) what do you interpret it to mean? What does taxing the wealthy look like to you? Taxing higher earners more? From what point? Higher taxes on industry?

I did read that extra taxes or whatever are going to be focused on savings rather than income. Apparently she’s said a high income doesn’t mean wealth.

so am a bit worried that someone who earns 50k and lives frugally and saves will be hammered while someone earning 200k and splashing out on cars and holidays will be fine.

You are welcome to your view but if you support racists, who promulgate racist views then in my opinion you are a racist. You can’t ignore the dog whistle rhetoric, the marginalisation of entire groups, the smears and the hate - you vote Reform you are voting for a party led by a tin-pot tyrant who has openly, and consistently expressed racist views. How can that not make you a racist or an apologist for racism (which to my mind = a racist who is too scared to own their racism)?

They absolutely need to slash the welfare spending. But they seem too scared to do this. Weed out the shirkers from the genuine claimants.

No I don’t and neither does Hope Against Hate

I love that calling people who vote for a racist party with racist policies racist gets deleted. How about water is wet? The pope is a Catholic? Bears shit in the woods?

You can only speak for yourself in this life I'm afraid. Much as you try to speak for everyone else.

Looks like that line isn’t working anymore anyway.

I am only speaking for myself - sorry that you failed to understand that.

You can only speak for what is in your own heart unfortunately. You don't know anyone else's. So only you know if you are racist. Are you?

I'm assuming you logically also agree that anyone who is on one of those Gaza hate marches is an anti semite. If we are going down the road of tarring everyone with the same brush.

I’m not voting for them so don’t worry, but tarring them all with the same brush is wrong and wouldn’t make someone racist. I think you are suggesting covert or even unconscious racism but we cannot prove that. I think a lot of supporters of reform are misguided and disenfranchised, fed up of the way things are and want a change. Similar to Trump supporters.

Same as Labour voters too. If there are any.

Which line? The one that holds that supporting racists = racism. This thread might not support ‘that line’ but history does, I wonder how it will be looked at in 50 years?

I am in support of this too! I work full time with health conditions so why can’t others?!

Supporting anti semites = anti semetic. Which means anyone on the pro Gaza marches.

Can we get back to the topic at hand?

If they’re going to start taxing wealth it will affect all those who have saved carefully for retirement-who have ISAs and savings accounts as well as a pension.
Soon it will make more sense to blow it all then call upon the state to look after us.

https://apple.news/A9SD8xo-EQISVl4vjas1e5g

The one you used which got deleted.

Pretty much everything is taxed already, income, interest from savings, which depending how much you have might be called wealth! Businesses have been hit hard by recent tax rises, capital gains tax on selling assets, inheritance tax. Not to mention things like road tax, council tax, etc.

If you tax the better off more they will spend less which then affects businesses, if you tax businesses more that will raise prices which affects everyone eventually. If they tax houses it will screw with the property market, put people into negative equity and have all sorts of unexpected consequences. How many people could find the cash to give the government say 10% of the value of their home, even 1% would be a struggle for many people.

Cutting spending should be the objective, catch the tax dodgers big and small, catch the benefit cheats, catch the people working in the black economy. All these people are stealing from all of us that pay our taxes, they are not victimless crimes. So often on here these sort of crimes are dismissed as no ones business and you should just let people get on with it and don't report it.

Not sure if it’s a rhetorical question you’re asking there, but the answer is 5 years in coalition followed by 9 years as a majority government.

To all those who quote the 14 years of Tory mismanagement, I would remind them that we were not in a dictatorship. The Tories won several elections in that timeframe.

Why were Labour not able to win an election if the Tory mismanagement was so terrible and apparent to the electorate?

I noticed that, too.

Blanket labelling people racists is reductive, and highly disrespectful to both the recipient, and to minorities.

It diminishes the argument, and real racism.

It’s shameful, and I expect the PP will now refrain from such inappropriate use of the word.

Thats what I’m thinking. I’d rather fuck off on a round the world cruise than have it eroded away by the government.

Makes me laugh that out of all those sentences, that’s the only one you can reasonably say may be faintly accurate.

The rest are clearly untrue.

Your logic is inescapable.

If the Tories were so terrible - particularly as is the charge - during Brexit and the Pandemic, why were Labour unable to win a GE?

The answer is fairly obvious - its because Labour were simply unelectable. They were not serious opposition, with Corbyn often fighting a rearguard action over anti-Semitism etc.

Buyer’s remorse is real amongst many who voted for Labour last summer - that’s patently clear.

Oh, and you can't leave the country, because you may get hit with an exit tax. Insidious.