Labour - Buyer’s Remorse?

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A simple question for those of you who voted Labour at the last GE - tactically or for the first time etc., (not those of you who are dyed in the wool socialists).

How are you now feeling about your decision, honestly?

The right wing media? She should have been their darling.
And I won't even mention her trip to Balmoral. You don't need to know about that.

Erm no NHS dentists taking on here, the nearest is 37 miles away.

My Grandad’s operation was cancelled 4 times and in the end he paid to have it done privately (good job as biopsy showed it to be cancer).

Tories were already bringing in reforms for private rentals and had already introduced standards for social housing.

Changes to childcare and extending funded hours was a Tory policy.

Teacher shortages have been a thing since year dot. Labour’s pledge in June 2024 to recruit ‘experts’ was amended by December to drop the ‘expert’ part. The vast majority of schools are facing funding cuts in the next year.

No currently planned train strikes but tube strikes are ongoing.

Significant local employers have closed due to increases in cost. In general, unemployment has been increasing since mid 2024 (coincidence, eh?) and it’s now the highest it’s been since 2016 (not including lockdown) and average real earnings have fallen for the bottom 40% of households - with households with 3 or more children especially struggling - 9 out of 10 of these households going without essentials.

I’m not sure Labour chaos is better than Tory chaos.

Disappointed at times - I'd like a bit more positivity and steadfastness from Starmer.

But no remorse - I couldn't have voted any other way.

I wouldn’t bet your life savings on that!

in fact I have 2 jobs to make sure I am.

Plus I’ve raised my disabled ds alone for 20 years whilst doing a degree to be able to get to this point.

I don't know why you seem to want to rip someone down - does it make you feel better (because that’s quite sad 😂)

I voted Tory in 2019. I regretted that in the end! So far I am happy with my decision to vote Labour this time.

Ask me again in 2029 who I voted for!

The point I was making is that far fewer people are net contributors than many think.

That’s a problem because it effectively creates a hidden dependency culture.

An average person needs to earn over £60k every year throughout their entire working life to be a net contributor. Obviously double that between you if you’re a 2 adult household. It is a rapidly diminishing number who do this.

If that was your point you should have said that rather than the sneering tone of I bet it’s because I think I’ll lose something.

You knew exactly what you were doing but unfortunately for you picked the wrong target!

And of people need to be earning over 60k a year for their lifetime to be net contributors then someone needs to do something about the poor wages key workers are paid. Therefore it makes Starmers rise for nurses Drs and teachers something else to celebrate. Let’s hope he raises them more so these necessary uk workers can be lifetime net contributors.

Not at all. If you are a lifetime net contributor do you also make voluntary additional tax payments as you appear to be supportive of additional taxes for higher earners. If you don’t then maybe you’re just virtue signalling.

I think you'll find that plenty of nurses, doctors and teachers earn over £60k already actually, although that is not the rhetoric we are made to believe.
Not new starters or lower grades obviously, but you don't need to climb very high to earn this.
Of course, most people swallow the low-paid line without actually researching the reality.
I can think of workers more deserving of a payrise than any of these groups.

https://neu.org.uk/advice/your-rights-work/pay-advice/pay-scales/pay-scales-england?_gl=1dgjhqp_upMQ..gs*MQ..&gclid=Cj0KCQjwwsrFBhD6ARIsAPnUFD0csoBtDbbF7GvfW9uxp55rYVlCDPpkLaDDmeCc61Lkqsie7KL4avkaAmiXEALw_wcB&gbraid=0AAAAACoi_J2GFCWwn2_0KIgv7q_2KMHn#leading

teachers pay scales .

Because I wouldn’t want misinformation being spread

Yes, as i said, not lower grades or new starters. You also need to include allowances that most other workers would just do as part of their job (eg my neighbour was paid extra for driving the school minibus, nurses are paid extra for working weekends even though there is a seven-day rota etc)

Reform are 17% ahead of Labour in latest poll, which is a bit of a worry.🤷‍♀️

Oh Mumsnet where has your laughing emoji gone. It's really needed today.

Surely you know everyone on Mumsnet earns 100k plus.

Yet how can we improve the general lot of people without Teachers, Doctors or HCP?

TBF very few HCP's, outside of Dr's will be on 60k, so Band 8a pay, 2% of nurses reach this band.

Anyway, its 41k per person, before on average, you pay in, more than you take out, thats around 40% of the workforce.

Nothing like thinking up imaginary numbers or fantasy pay for some.