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Ricky Jones Cleared

438 replies

DancingFerret · 15/08/2025 12:33

Unbelievable (but not unexpected).

www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-15003437/Labour-councillor-cleared-cutting-throats-comment-rally.html

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PhilippaGeorgiou · 16/08/2025 11:58

DuncinToffee · 16/08/2025 11:47

Also Dominic Grieve on X

Fuck... I am going back to bed to see if I can restart the day.

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:00

unreasonablebaguette · 15/08/2025 13:43

Let me guess, he's got men's mental health.

Men’s mental health and legal guidance paid for by the Labour Party. 🤮🤮

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:03

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:00

Men’s mental health and legal guidance paid for by the Labour Party. 🤮🤮

Evidence for that?

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:03

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 11:46

Neither is right, BUT we have a justice system to find people guilty or not guilty.

We do not have a system based on what people "think" is the correct verdict, based on their own political leanings.

We do not have a system based on what people "think" is the correct verdict,

Hahaha haha. Yes we do. Clearly.

EasternStandard · 16/08/2025 12:03

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/08/2025 14:35

I don’t think she had a solicitor at all, they told her that if she were to plead guilty it would be a light sentence. See also: the guy arrested for cutting his hedge with a small sickle, who was told to accept a police caution after several hours waiting for a solicitor who was unavailable, so he could go home.

Moral : just say no comment like all the dealers and robbers, wait it out and hope the police get tired before you.

When you say they told her in first line do you mean the police?

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:04

LimpysGotCancer · 16/08/2025 08:54

I'm not furious, in fact I'm quite pleased. The fact that the jury were able to stick with what they thought was the correct verdict, and not be swayed into the easy verdict demanded by the mob, encourages me to think that justice is alive and well.

Especially since the mob (i.e. most posters on here and on social media) appear spectacularly badly informed:

Don't understand the difference between pleading guilty and pleading not guilty

Think calling for the burning alive of a specific group of innocent people is the same as saying that violent criminals should be killed. (Presumably they think that saying "peadophiles should hang" should be illegal too?)

Have no clue how jury trials work.

Don't know the first thing about how the justice system in general works (and appear to think "Labour" or the PM himself are in charge of decisions to prosecute, the judiciary, the advice given by solicitors to their clients, bail decisions, and are even directing events in the jury room!)

Unfortunately I think the real societal divide (and the reason for the risk of serious unrest) is between those few sensible people who live in the real world and have a proper understanding of how things work, and those many badly-informed, gullible people who are vulnerable to online conspiracies and see what they want to see.

Edited

What did You see when you watched the video of Ricky Jones inciting people to slit the throat of other people?

Or let me guess.. you didn’t watch it? Easier that way, isn’t it?

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:06

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:03

We do not have a system based on what people "think" is the correct verdict,

Hahaha haha. Yes we do. Clearly.

Nope, thats just your opinion.

The reality is totally different.

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:06

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 11:55

You keep editing your posts after I've responded.

Connelly didn't say that she "didn't care about violence." She pleaded guilty to intent to stir up racial hatred and endangering life. Therefore she meant what she said.

She posted her viral tweet before the riots kicked off and no one has suggested that she caused the riots and she wasn't found guilty of that. The riots were partly caused by disinformation online saying that a Muslim asylum seeker who had recently arrived by boat, had committed the murders.

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She pleaded guilty, yes. After being held in custody without bail for 3 months.

Whereas Jones was released on bail immediately.

That's where the 2 tier justice started.

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:08

Jacob Rees Mogg is just a person with an opinion.

Why do you think that 'even a Tory' sharing your view will make the slightest difference to mine. Funny that you're assuming it's political.

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:09

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:06

She pleaded guilty, yes. After being held in custody without bail for 3 months.

Whereas Jones was released on bail immediately.

That's where the 2 tier justice started.

She pleaded guilty, yes. After being held in custody without bail for 3 months.

Are you sure ?

Lucy Connolly:
Offence date: 29th of July
Charged: 9th of August
Arraigned: 2nd of September
Ricky Jones:
Offence date: 7th of August
Charged: 9th of August
Arraignment date: 6th of September

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:09

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:06

She pleaded guilty, yes. After being held in custody without bail for 3 months.

Whereas Jones was released on bail immediately.

That's where the 2 tier justice started.

I get it. In your opinion, "two tier justice" means that everyone, irrespective of the law and context, should be treated the same. Makes sense.

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:09

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:08

Jacob Rees Mogg is just a person with an opinion.

Why do you think that 'even a Tory' sharing your view will make the slightest difference to mine. Funny that you're assuming it's political.

Jacob Rees Mogg is just a person with an opinion

So no different to you then.

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:10

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:06

Nope, thats just your opinion.

The reality is totally different.

That's just your opinion.

An increasing number of examples are totally different.

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:10

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:09

Jacob Rees Mogg is just a person with an opinion

So no different to you then.

Or you.

This is a discussion forum.

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:10

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:06

She pleaded guilty, yes. After being held in custody without bail for 3 months.

Whereas Jones was released on bail immediately.

That's where the 2 tier justice started.

No, she admitted the offence the same day as being arrested.

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:12

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:10

That's just your opinion.

An increasing number of examples are totally different.

Of course, but you've yet to explain or produce evidence of jury rigging and judges being influenced by the Govt of the day.... which is what you re saying is happening in the UK.

LimpysGotCancer · 16/08/2025 12:14

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:04

What did You see when you watched the video of Ricky Jones inciting people to slit the throat of other people?

Or let me guess.. you didn’t watch it? Easier that way, isn’t it?

Of course I watched it. I make sure I'm well informed and aware of all the facts before opining on a subject. Don't you do the same? (Your other posts don't give me much hope to be honest.)

Did you watch it? Could you then please clarify for me exactly which specific group of people he was referring to? (Hint: it's not "protesters" or "people he disagrees with".)

DuncinToffee · 16/08/2025 12:14

Juries are randomly selected members of the public. Men and women from all walks of life and all political backgrounds.

Only a moron of irredeemable proportions would even think of suggesting that a jury verdict represents some deep state “two-tier justice”.

The Secret Barrister

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:16

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:10

Or you.

This is a discussion forum.

I dunno, a few facts do seep in.

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:16

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:09

I get it. In your opinion, "two tier justice" means that everyone, irrespective of the law and context, should be treated the same. Makes sense.

In my opinion everyone in the UK should be treated the same by our justice system, yes.

Their political views (within the constraints of the law, eg not supporting terrorist organisations) should not matter.

Expected social or community opinion/reaction should in no way change the process followed for them or the outcome of any case against them.

Everyone should be equal under the law. Equally constrained. Equally protected.

That shouldn't be controversial. It's currently evidently not the case.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:16

DuncinToffee · 16/08/2025 12:14

Juries are randomly selected members of the public. Men and women from all walks of life and all political backgrounds.

Only a moron of irredeemable proportions would even think of suggesting that a jury verdict represents some deep state “two-tier justice”.

The Secret Barrister

Oh no! If you call them morons, they vote Reform!

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:17

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:16

Oh no! If you call them morons, they vote Reform!

Odd that. You'd think they'd want to prove they aren't morons instead ....

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:18

LimpysGotCancer · 16/08/2025 12:14

Of course I watched it. I make sure I'm well informed and aware of all the facts before opining on a subject. Don't you do the same? (Your other posts don't give me much hope to be honest.)

Did you watch it? Could you then please clarify for me exactly which specific group of people he was referring to? (Hint: it's not "protesters" or "people he disagrees with".)

It doesn't matter which group he was referring to, or how abhorrent you or I think their political opinions are.

The are equally protected by the law.

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:18

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:16

In my opinion everyone in the UK should be treated the same by our justice system, yes.

Their political views (within the constraints of the law, eg not supporting terrorist organisations) should not matter.

Expected social or community opinion/reaction should in no way change the process followed for them or the outcome of any case against them.

Everyone should be equal under the law. Equally constrained. Equally protected.

That shouldn't be controversial. It's currently evidently not the case.

"Evidently"

So you have hard proof of your allegations.... goody, look forward to reading them.

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:20

Indeed part of his defence was that he has ADHD and suffered from ‘emotional arousal’ 🤯🤯🤯🤯

‘By way of mitigating circumstances, Jones’s defence argued that he may have been affected by ADHD, and suffered from ‘emotional arousal’ which could ‘override deliberate decision-making’ (which presumably therefore made it harder to understand the impact of calling for throats to be slit).

Lucy Connolly’s potential mitigations as the mother of a young daughter, who had previously lost her infant son in tragic circumstances which naturally made her sensitive to the news of murdered children, seem not to have mattered as much. ‘

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ricky-jones-and-the-reality-of-two-tier-justice/

Ricky Jones and the reality of two-tier justice

This may be looked back on as the week when two-tier justice moved from being an accusation to a statement of incontrovertible fact. The stark difference in treatment of Ricky Jones, the former Labour councillor accused of encouraging violent disorder ...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ricky-jones-and-the-reality-of-two-tier-justice/

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