Immigration - wanting some stats

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I’m so so sick of the immigration media headlines

the attached shows the immigration backlog since 1990. I’m wanting to add in the number or home office immigration staff into the graph

how did we go from a low of around 3000 in 2005 to this years figure of 91,000

ive googled home office staff in 2010 which had a total of 28,423 staff

2010, the Home Office had a total of 2811 payroll staff. This figure represents the total number of employees within Additionally, the wider Home Office group included other agencies like the Criminal Records Bureau with 668 staff, the Identity & Passport Service with 3944 staff, and the UK Border Agency with 21752 staff.

At the end of March 2024, the Home Office employed over 51,000 people in a wide range of roles, across the UK and overseas

So to summarise 2010 there were around 28k staff with a backlog of around 4000 migrants/asylum seekers

today - we have a backlog of 91000 applications with a total number of home office staff at 51000

can anyone help me out with this logic?

TO BE VERY CLEAR, I AM NOT A EXTREME RIGHT WING VOTER, I’M FOCUSED ON WHY OUR GOVERNMENT HAS NOT/IS NOT SEEMINGLY ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE BACKLOG WHICH IS NOT FAIR ON ANYONE

It is a bit. So many read it on here whilst saying they don’t. Plus the berating over voting is ott

I genuinely have never read the DM but have no issue with anyone who does. Or the Guardian. Obviously no sane person would read the Guardian but 4 or 5 people do and that's entirely their prerogative.

So no then

Well of course you don’t have any issue with anyone who reads the DM

You share political allegiance with most of the readership?

Ive already replied on those two upthread. You just didn't understand the answer.

I doubt it since I don’t know yet, so if you are following as your post suggests you’ve likely mixed up posters.

News a range, no TV all radio plus a bit online.

You seem to attach much importance to getting your news from the DM. What does it say.by the way on this (I don't take it myself you see). You seem remarkably informed on the DM and it's content so I assume you read it yourself avidly.

Idk but pp seem to get a bit antsy over assuming on votes and readership, tends to be from Labour.

Presumably these people who mention the DM must read it themselves to know what it says? So does that make them typical DM readers themselves? IS there therefore a typical DM reader?

It's all so very confusing. Which is not useful for an insult where clarity is vital.

I only see this from Labour really. This kind of gotcha barrage. Let people read and use their one vote as they wish, that’s what it’s for.

Yes, I do.

I don’t need to read the statistics. I only need to set foot outside my door. Everywhere I look in my home town I see groups of young immigrant men wandering around. My neighbour has been followed and hassled so often she no longer goes into town on her own. My local woods have been hacked down to make way for two giant new estates, including blocks of flats, and a second massive estate has been built at the other end of the village. Judging by the languages and accents I would say the majority of people who’ve moved onto those estates were not born in this country. Now we’ve been told the fields in the centre of the village are going to be built on as well.

This migration crisis isn’t going away. In spite of all the talk about falling birth rates, the world’s population (currently eight billion) and is going to peak at ten billion mid-century. Africa’s birth rate is so high the African population is going to double - just as climate change is causing chaos.

Besides, I don’t trust immigration statistics. For a start they don’t take into account illegal immigrants. God knows how many people are in this country without anyone’s knowledge. I’m not just talking about people landing at night in small boats. A friend works for university admissions and often says that people apply to study in the U.K., turn up for one seminar and then vanish. He has raised his concerns and been told more or less to keep his mouth shut. My town is a university town, and all the flats and houses around the university have been taken over by immigrants. I doubt it’s a coincidence.

Exactly. I was taught it was extremely rude to ask someone how they voted. If someone wants to say they can say of course. But rather rude to badger people as if it's anyone's business but one's own.

By weaponising do you mean enforcing? Using inflammatory language really doesn't help a debate, procrastination might be a word you are seeking. People deserve due process.

Jesus wept 🤦‍♀️ can we not have a conversation about a very real issue that effects everyone, including the asylum seekers, without it turning into a total slanging match and demanding to know which political party you’re voting for??????

i take my news from all different sources, traditionally I am center left but I’m not wedded to any party - I choose on the issues at the time

and if memory serves me correctly didn’t Rishi Sunak have some sort of asylum amnesty to help reduce the numbers a bit?

immigration is both good and bad, it cannot run unchecked. On the other hand the 50,000 coming over on the boats is a minuscule percentage of the overall net migration figures

Christ, this thread is depressing. I've noticed that there a hardcore little band of posters who seems to sniff out threads on immigration and asylum and pile on to shout down anything they themselves have judged and juried to be racist at its core (which is pretty much any comment which questions immigration and asylum). They don't hold opinions, they have beliefs. And there is NOTHING that will dissuade them of their belief that (1) all immigration is good, (2) there is no such thing as a fake asylum seeker and (3) anyone who even remotely thinks otherwise is a Reform voter and a piece of shit. There is no wonder this country is fucked. These people are simply not prepared to listen to any point of view that does not accord with their belief.

The country cannot administrate itself properly. We have no idea who is here, we don't check anything. The people coming over on the boats are the tip of the iceberg.

So Reform definitely
but a bit embarrassed about it

"Asylum amnesty" is just lowering the dam for a bit so the numbers look better.

Shitting hell give it a bloody rest FFS

No, I don't mean enforcing. I mean weaponising.

The asylum application process is intended to allow the HO to accurately judge whether someone's asylum claim is valid or not: in order to accept the claim if it is and deport the would-be immigrant if not.

The appeal process is intended to allow representation where there has been a genuine misapplication of the criteria, to avoid the risk that someone is unfairly deported when their claim should have been accepted.

Immigration lawyers and Human Rights groups are abusing the asylum process when they routinely appeal every single refusal, regardless of whether it could reasonably be considered a wrong decision. They do that in order to give the immigrant more time in the country, since that may strengthen their claim. For the same reason, they deliberately drip feed information and string the process out as long as possible, at huge cost to the UK.

That might be in the asylum seeker's interests - where they have no genuine claim. But it certainly isn’t in the UK's interest, and it is also against the interests of the other genuine adylum seekers, since it slows their claim, dilutes access to the resources they are legitimately entitled to (unlike false claimants deliberately stringing out their claim), and reduces the sympathy of the host population.

Given that those Immigration lawyers and Human Rights groups are deliberately using the very generous, expensive asylum process the UK has created - to give people with a genuine adylum claim every possible chance - against us, I think it's absolutely accurate to say they are weaponising it.

And they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

You are just trying to tease me now! 😉

Wait until 2029 when that question actually means something.

I feel like her Alevel results may not have gone as well as she hoped today so she's letting off steam on MN.

Yes this preference for the chaotic, dangerous and insecure system is madness.

The link that @OverlyFragrant supplied actually says that research has consistently shown that international students benefit the UK economy. It’s the last bullet point on the first page.