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Immigration - wanting some stats

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ITSJUSTBRIDGET · 12/08/2025 20:08

I’m so so sick of the immigration media headlines

the attached shows the immigration backlog since 1990. I’m wanting to add in the number or home office immigration staff into the graph

how did we go from a low of around 3000 in 2005 to this years figure of 91,000

ive googled home office staff in 2010 which had a total of 28,423 staff

2010, the Home Office had a total of 2811 payroll staff. This figure represents the total number of employees within Additionally, the wider Home Office group included other agencies like the Criminal Records Bureau with 668 staff, the Identity & Passport Service with 3944 staff, and the UK Border Agency with 21752 staff.

At the end of March 2024, the Home Office employed over 51,000 people in a wide range of roles, across the UK and overseas

So to summarise 2010 there were around 28k staff with a backlog of around 4000 migrants/asylum seekers

today - we have a backlog of 91000 applications with a total number of home office staff at 51000

can anyone help me out with this logic?

TO BE VERY CLEAR, I AM NOT A EXTREME RIGHT WING VOTER, I’M FOCUSED ON WHY OUR GOVERNMENT HAS NOT/IS NOT SEEMINGLY ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE BACKLOG WHICH IS NOT FAIR ON ANYONE

Immigration - wanting some stats
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PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:32

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:13

Er...they work for the HO!!🤣🤣🤣. They are marking their own homework! Do you think they would tell you the truth? Would they whistle-blow to mumsnet? Hardly. But again, sweet that you think that everyone tells the truth on mumsnet.

Oh and 70k backlog. I bet the real.backlog would be double that if they don't waive a fair few through.

Edited

Sooooo the people from the HO who posted here are not telling the whole truth (which may or may not be the case) but the eavesdropping in a restaurant anecdote MUST be true.

OK.🤭🤭🤭

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:33

TooTedious · 14/08/2025 16:28

🤦🏻‍♀️ Oh my God, you think a relatively low level civil servant would go to the trouble of concealing some bizarre attempt to deceive the nation?

Why? What would be in it for me, exactly?Use of a highlighter in a colour of my choice maybe? Exclusive use of the best chair in the office? Or maybe a window seat?

You silly, silly woman.

How low level are you? Do you attend policy meetings where decisions are taken? If you did then presumably it would be a breach of confidentiality to come on mumsnet and spout stuff. If you don't attend policy meetings then you have not much more information than the rest of us.

I always refrain from holding forth on mumsnet about informing Ive gleaned at work. A little silly of you to do so.

PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:35

TooTedious · 14/08/2025 16:21

It isn’t true.

I can’t speak for anyone else on here because I don’t know what they do for a living or what their experience is. But I do do it for a living and I want to make it very clear to you that nobody is being ‘waved through’ or issued with grants of leave that they wouldn’t otherwise be entitled to, simply to clear a backlog. The concept is utterly ridiculous. To start with, if it were true, there wouldn’t be a sodding backlog, would there?

I'm.just a person with more than one brain cell I can see I’m not the only person who struggles with maths.

Ah, but pp's sweet reasoning is that if people weren't being waved through, the backlogs would be bigger.

TooTedious · 14/08/2025 16:36

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:18

What's the source of your "news" that they aren't doing it? Independent verification please.

You want her to provide independent verification of something that isn’t happening?

I believe FIFA will not be substituting the ball with a watermelon at the next World Cup. Strangely enough, none of the world’s press have seen fit to comment on it. How odd 🤔

PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:37

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:33

How low level are you? Do you attend policy meetings where decisions are taken? If you did then presumably it would be a breach of confidentiality to come on mumsnet and spout stuff. If you don't attend policy meetings then you have not much more information than the rest of us.

I always refrain from holding forth on mumsnet about informing Ive gleaned at work. A little silly of you to do so.

So where is YOUR evidence of the waving through?

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:38

PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:32

Sooooo the people from the HO who posted here are not telling the whole truth (which may or may not be the case) but the eavesdropping in a restaurant anecdote MUST be true.

OK.🤭🤭🤭

I simply ask myself the questions listed above

  1. Would a government under pressure bend the rules for political expediency?
  1. Can we trust government figures?
  1. What's the main issue of the day, an issue that is Number 1 for voting intent decisions, and which no improvement has yet happened?
  1. Has the government got the best interests of the people of the UK at heart?.cf Chagos etc..
  1. Edit...what's the only thing the government has in its control to paint a brighter picture? Getting the backlog.down. easy...just waive people in.

So whether the person speaking knows what he is saying is true or not doesnt matter. Looking at the overall picture the odds are it is true.

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:38

PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:37

So where is YOUR evidence of the waving through?

See my post above.

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:42

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:18

What's the source of your "news" that they aren't doing it? Independent verification please.

I’m curious what you read generally for news

me? It’s a mix of Times, observer, New York Times, Spectator and the Economist

Over to you…. (Not that you’ll answer)

PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:42

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:38

See my post above.

None of that is evidence. It is conjecture.

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:43

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:20

So what you are saying is that you can be easily fooled if you are a labour voter and are happy to unquestioningly accept the party line that no waiving through is going on, but if you have the wit to question Labour propaganda you must.be a reform voter?

Yup, you are a Reform voter but a little sheepish about it 😆

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:44

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:42

I’m curious what you read generally for news

me? It’s a mix of Times, observer, New York Times, Spectator and the Economist

Over to you…. (Not that you’ll answer)

I just don't think it's relevant. I can use my brain as much as any journalist.

Although I have a subscription to at least two of those you listed, I also have subscriptions to other publications.

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:45

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:44

I just don't think it's relevant. I can use my brain as much as any journalist.

Although I have a subscription to at least two of those you listed, I also have subscriptions to other publications.

Daily Mail
Reform Voter

But not quite up to owning it 😆

EasternStandard · 14/08/2025 16:45

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:43

Yup, you are a Reform voter but a little sheepish about it 😆

Who do you vote for?

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:46

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:43

Yup, you are a Reform voter but a little sheepish about it 😆

You can assume that. Although to "assume" makes an ass out of u and me....

You attach too much importance to what box people tick in the polling booth. Tribal loyalty is very fluid these days.

PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:47

Tribal loyalty is very fluid these days

This made me laugh rather a lot.

EasternStandard · 14/08/2025 16:48

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:45

Daily Mail
Reform Voter

But not quite up to owning it 😆

And which papers / news do you rely on?

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:48

EasternStandard · 14/08/2025 16:48

And which papers / news do you rely on?

Upthread

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:49

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:46

You can assume that. Although to "assume" makes an ass out of u and me....

You attach too much importance to what box people tick in the polling booth. Tribal loyalty is very fluid these days.

Yup
I am right.

Reform and DM

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:49

PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:47

Tribal loyalty is very fluid these days

This made me laugh rather a lot.

Why? Many Labour voters won't vote Labour in 2029. Even though they have always been loyal to Labour before. You can see it in the 2019 election.

I too find it funny and a source of great joy.

PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:52

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:49

Why? Many Labour voters won't vote Labour in 2029. Even though they have always been loyal to Labour before. You can see it in the 2019 election.

I too find it funny and a source of great joy.

The reason it made me laugh is nothing to do with politics.

The oxymoronic nature of "tribal loyalty is very fluid these days" tickled me somewhat.

EasternStandard · 14/08/2025 16:53

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:48

Upthread

And who will you vote for?

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:54

EasternStandard · 14/08/2025 16:53

And who will you vote for?

Tricky.

At the moment if GE tomorrow… Labour

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:54

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:49

Yup
I am right.

Reform and DM

Well, no, neither actually. Not yet anyway. We shall see.

I do think trying to pigeon hole people using your own prejudices is counter productive. And using the DM as some sort of tool to define someone's character seems endearingly old fashioned 😂

Someiremember · 14/08/2025 16:55

EasternStandard · 14/08/2025 16:53

And who will you vote for?

Care to share your source of news and vote if GE tomorrow? Although I have a feeling I can guess!

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:55

PandoraSocks · 14/08/2025 16:52

The reason it made me laugh is nothing to do with politics.

The oxymoronic nature of "tribal loyalty is very fluid these days" tickled me somewhat.

Yes OK fair enough

You get my point though.