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Immigration - wanting some stats

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ITSJUSTBRIDGET · 12/08/2025 20:08

I’m so so sick of the immigration media headlines

the attached shows the immigration backlog since 1990. I’m wanting to add in the number or home office immigration staff into the graph

how did we go from a low of around 3000 in 2005 to this years figure of 91,000

ive googled home office staff in 2010 which had a total of 28,423 staff

2010, the Home Office had a total of 2811 payroll staff. This figure represents the total number of employees within Additionally, the wider Home Office group included other agencies like the Criminal Records Bureau with 668 staff, the Identity & Passport Service with 3944 staff, and the UK Border Agency with 21752 staff.

At the end of March 2024, the Home Office employed over 51,000 people in a wide range of roles, across the UK and overseas

So to summarise 2010 there were around 28k staff with a backlog of around 4000 migrants/asylum seekers

today - we have a backlog of 91000 applications with a total number of home office staff at 51000

can anyone help me out with this logic?

TO BE VERY CLEAR, I AM NOT A EXTREME RIGHT WING VOTER, I’M FOCUSED ON WHY OUR GOVERNMENT HAS NOT/IS NOT SEEMINGLY ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE BACKLOG WHICH IS NOT FAIR ON ANYONE

Immigration - wanting some stats
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TooTedious · 14/08/2025 17:59

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 16:33

How low level are you? Do you attend policy meetings where decisions are taken? If you did then presumably it would be a breach of confidentiality to come on mumsnet and spout stuff. If you don't attend policy meetings then you have not much more information than the rest of us.

I always refrain from holding forth on mumsnet about informing Ive gleaned at work. A little silly of you to do so.

I’m an asylum decision maker. I’m far too low to attend policy meetings. But trained enough to know how grants and refusals of asylum work. You very clearly have no understanding and no experience of the asylum process.

And I haven’t ‘spouted’ anything. I’ve simply told you that the ridiculous thing you think is happening, isn’t happening. I certainly haven’t disclosed anything. I’m very conscious of my obligations thank you. I can also tell you that my SLT don’t play tennis in the office. Or that they don’t provide us with an afternoon tea on a Friday. There isn’t a champagne bar in our office and I’m pretty sure the loo roll isn’t Andrex. In fact I can provide you with an infinite list of things that don’t happen in the Home Office. None of which is breaching my obligations surrounding confidentiality. Is any of that getting through to you?

I always refrain from holding forth on mumsnet about informing Ive gleaned at work Judging by your posts here, I can’t imagine that it would be anything of any great significance.

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 18:08

Bit bitchy there at the end,@TooTedious Who knows whether you are what you say you are. Although I do understand that if you do really work as an asylum decision maker, you must be feeling defensive as things aren't going that great. So I can overlook the snide comments.

Let's wait and see how the government official figures alter and then, IRL, whether there is an increase in ex "asylum" seekers in our towns and villages in the following months. Because I bet there will be.

strawberrybubblegum · 14/08/2025 18:10

strawberrybubblegum · 14/08/2025 17:49

No, I don't mean enforcing. I mean weaponising.

The asylum application process is intended to allow the HO to accurately judge whether someone's asylum claim is valid or not: in order to accept the claim if it is and deport the would-be immigrant if not.

The appeal process is intended to allow representation where there has been a genuine misapplication of the criteria, to avoid the risk that someone is unfairly deported when their claim should have been accepted.

Immigration lawyers and Human Rights groups are abusing the asylum process when they routinely appeal every single refusal, regardless of whether it could reasonably be considered a wrong decision. They do that in order to give the immigrant more time in the country, since that may strengthen their claim. For the same reason, they deliberately drip feed information and string the process out as long as possible, at huge cost to the UK.

That might be in the asylum seeker's interests - where they have no genuine claim. But it certainly isn’t in the UK's interest, and it is also against the interests of the other genuine adylum seekers, since it slows their claim, dilutes access to the resources they are legitimately entitled to (unlike false claimants deliberately stringing out their claim), and reduces the sympathy of the host population.

Given that those Immigration lawyers and Human Rights groups are deliberately using the very generous, expensive asylum process the UK has created - to give people with a genuine adylum claim every possible chance - against us, I think it's absolutely accurate to say they are weaponising it.

And they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Edited

If asylum seekers were deported to a third country like Rwanda for processing - and only brought back to the UK if their claim was successful - then you can be sure that the drip-feeding and deliberate slowing of the asylum process would stop.

I would also expect that once it was known this was happening, it would hugely reduce the draw for would-be-immigrants with a spurious asylum claim who are chancing it because at present they know they can freely live and illegally work in the UK whilst their claim is strung out, and are unlikely to ever be deported.

TooTedious · 14/08/2025 18:48

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 18:08

Bit bitchy there at the end,@TooTedious Who knows whether you are what you say you are. Although I do understand that if you do really work as an asylum decision maker, you must be feeling defensive as things aren't going that great. So I can overlook the snide comments.

Let's wait and see how the government official figures alter and then, IRL, whether there is an increase in ex "asylum" seekers in our towns and villages in the following months. Because I bet there will be.

Edited

Don’t overlook it on my account; I meant every word of it. I’m not defensive about my job. I’m just tired of conspiracy theorists who get all their ‘research’ from Facebook talking utter bollocks with total conviction that they’re an expert on the subject when they’re actually talking out of their arse.

Let's wait and see how the government official figures alter and then, IRL, whether there is an increase in ex "asylum" seekers in our towns and villages in the following months. Because I bet there will be 🤦🏻‍♀️ I don’t even want to know how you think you’re going to measure that. I mean, don’t let accuracy get in your way or anything, will you? A quick glance out of the car window as you drive past should be sufficient for your purposes 🙄

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 20:44

TooTedious · 14/08/2025 18:48

Don’t overlook it on my account; I meant every word of it. I’m not defensive about my job. I’m just tired of conspiracy theorists who get all their ‘research’ from Facebook talking utter bollocks with total conviction that they’re an expert on the subject when they’re actually talking out of their arse.

Let's wait and see how the government official figures alter and then, IRL, whether there is an increase in ex "asylum" seekers in our towns and villages in the following months. Because I bet there will be 🤦🏻‍♀️ I don’t even want to know how you think you’re going to measure that. I mean, don’t let accuracy get in your way or anything, will you? A quick glance out of the car window as you drive past should be sufficient for your purposes 🙄

The main issue for a lot of people is trust, or the lack of. Trust that the government know what they are doing. Trust that the civil servants are competent. Trust that immigration will reduce significantly. It's the number one issue facing voters today.

And so if you are what you say you are, I think your responsibility is not to give ridiculous, disparaging, flippant, snide answers about something that people are immensely concerned about. And instead just be straightforward and reasonable. Don't be a dick about your answers talking about Andrex and.champagne and being rude about other people's jobs. You were the one who told everyone you make decisions on asylum. No one else.

Lostfidgetcube · 14/08/2025 20:54

You can usually spot someone who doesn't really know what they're on about by their use of the word 'deport'.

TooTedious · 15/08/2025 00:01

Lifeinthepit · 14/08/2025 20:44

The main issue for a lot of people is trust, or the lack of. Trust that the government know what they are doing. Trust that the civil servants are competent. Trust that immigration will reduce significantly. It's the number one issue facing voters today.

And so if you are what you say you are, I think your responsibility is not to give ridiculous, disparaging, flippant, snide answers about something that people are immensely concerned about. And instead just be straightforward and reasonable. Don't be a dick about your answers talking about Andrex and.champagne and being rude about other people's jobs. You were the one who told everyone you make decisions on asylum. No one else.

The main issue for a lot of people is trust, or the lack of. Trust that the government know what they are doing. Trust that the civil servants are competent. Trust that immigration will reduce significantly. It's the number one issue facing voters today Yes, I’m well aware of that. I live here too. I face exactly the same issues as everyone else. I’m not somehow exempt from the same concerns that everyone else has. As I mentioned previously, I’m no more privy to future policy than anyone else is.

And so if you are what you say you are, I think your responsibility is not to give ridiculous, disparaging, flippant, snide answers about something that people are immensely concerned about. And instead just be straightforward and reasonable. Don't be a dick about your answers talking about Andrex and.champagne and being rude about other people's jobs. You were the one who told everyone you make decisions on asylum. No one else. 😂 You’ve got a brass neck, I’ll give you that. I did give a very straightforward and reasonable answer when the pp talked about the conversation she’d overheard. You refused to accept it. You accused posters of lying. ‘Marking their own homework’ was the phrase I believe you used. You demanded a verifiable source of proof that something wasn’t happening. I gave you an entire list of things that weren’t happening. Yes; I was flippant. Because it was very clear to me that you were refusing to accept my initial straightforward and reasonable response. And now you think I should have overlooked your ridiculous, disparaging, flippant, snide comments and your rudeness about my job and been nice to you? 😂

Here’s some niceness for you; please don’t talk to me again.

BurntBroccoli · 20/08/2025 09:43

Yellowbirdcage · 13/08/2025 06:16

I’m a HO Civil Servant and agree your thought process is odd.

At least look at the rate of initial decisions (under HO control) compared to the appeals backlog (Not under HO control). The majority of people get a decision fairly quickly and then start on the rounds of endless appeals, human rights appeals, Judicial Reviews, new claims for modern slavery or domestic abuse. Etc etc.

You’re also making the mistake of thinking the applicants prefer a quick decision. It’s not in their interests to get this. The longer they’re here the better their chances are.

Making decisions on claims isn’t going to lead to removals and an end to all the problems. People just disappear, go asylum shopping around Europe (See Ireland). It’s very hard to remove anyone who has no documents or may have lied about their identity or even their nationality.

Is biometrics not helping with Identity? Do we not share information with other countries?

BurntBroccoli · 20/08/2025 10:32

BurntBroccoli · 20/08/2025 09:43

Is biometrics not helping with Identity? Do we not share information with other countries?

Ah we still have no access to Eurodac (great Brexit benefit that!):

“But the lack of access to the Eurodac fingerprinting system – which stores more than 7m fingerprint records and was lost to Britain with the ending of the Brexit transition period in December 2020 – limits potential collaboration.
Access would help returns by proving individuals had rightful residence in other countries.
Cooperation to tackle illegal migration, together with counter terror cooperation, is one of the three pillars that the UK government has been working on as part of a touted “reset” of UK-EU relations. The others are on foreign policy and security cooperation and growth and trade cooperation”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/05/uk-access-to-eu-and-migration-data-reportedly-denied

UK access to EU crime and illegal migration data reportedly denied

Blow to Starmer’s hopes of post-Brexit reset and efforts to clear asylum claims amid rise of populist right

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/05/uk-access-to-eu-and-migration-data-reportedly-denied

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