Actually Pro Immigration- Hear Me Out?

[n4mech4ng3r]

I have always been, and will always be, pro immigrant, pro asylum seeker, and pro refugee. It saddens me that I seem to be in the vast minority these days, the lack of empathy from the general population of the UK in 2025 is disgraceful imo.

I chose as part of my career to support refugees, and it has opened my eyes even more every day. The tragedies these young people have gone through are unimaginable for anyone here, and the treatment they get when they arrive is appalling.

When illegal immigration is brought up in a political context, it is always devoid of humanity, vulnerable people spoken about like an invasive species. I implore anyone so far removed from the realities of ‘illegal’ immigrants, especially those who risked their lives to be here, to volunteer for a refugee charity.

These are children, overjoyed to learn simple words so they can make friends with our children in the playground. Teenagers, completely overwhelmed by food they’ve never seen before (like fish fingers!). Young families, so grateful to a country that wants them to ‘go back to where they come from’ even if they die there.

It’s heartbreaking, and it makes me sick. Every time I see the Reform lot, racists, and other bigots treating immigrants as the scapegoat, I can’t help but think of my little students, their families, and the stories they’ve told me of life before they arrived.

It baffles me how people can go on about ‘British values’ while showing absolutely no kindness to the people who need it most. What’s the point of this national pride if it’s built on cruelty and exclusion? I see so much ‘we need to look after our own first’ rhetoric, but why can’t we do both? Why does helping people fleeing war and persecution make you angry? Why is that your line in the sand?

If anyone else is feeling like this, works in this area, or has something to add I’d love to hear it. If you’re going to try and change my opinion, please save your energy ❤️

Changed my username for this one because I’m discussing my professional life and opinions rather than my family life. Long time user over several accounts. Thanks for reading, sorry if it’s a rant.

I agree. I don’t have any though 😅. It was just food for thought tbh.

Appalling, not appealing 🤣

Quite the predictive text fail.

Yes i know but propping it up with masses of immigration isn’t really a long term solution either. It’s like a band aid on a gaping wound

Lol i didn’t even notice

😁

Have a good night.

Ok is there evidence showing that the accepted asylum seekers are economically net contributors and low crime rates etc? To contradict all the stuff in the news? I’m hearing alot about unhappy towns in UK with high numbers of bored young men harassing women. I’d think you’d agree this would not be a good thing.

It’s not that late is it? Ok fine. You too!

I do think you are naive op - if you work with young male asylum seekers you’ll know loads of them in their 20s pretend to be under 18 in order to reduce their chances of deportation. I worked in immigration a number of years ago and I was mid 20s - many men older than me were pretending to be 16. And one memorable bloke was literally old enough to be my dad!

The most awful case I dealt with though was with a do gooder family who took in 2 young ‘Kosovan children’. Of course they were actually Albanian blokes in their 20s and that family had a 15 year old girl. The mum famously asked me how I slept at night (as I worked for immigration). I wonder often how she sleeps at night knowing her daughter was sexually abused by those lowlifes because she was so keen to display her virtue signalling credentials.

It is for me. I’m quite old and between house sales whilst trying to find a home for our kids, it’s doing my head in!

Just re-read foodymcfoodface. Really wasn’t being snarky, just knackered!

Ah, good luck with the sale! You’re right, we shouldn’t let our phones destroy our sleep!

😊

When you say no such thing as an illegal immigrant do you mean the U.K. doesn’t have any unauthorised immigrants at all? Eg as many other countries do, as Germany does.

They might call them undocumented migrants.

Of course it does but that la mostly down to the inefficiency of the Govenment.

Ok so there is such a thing as an illegal immigrant.

That goes against your earlier post.

Asylum seekers can't work. They receive nominal financial support:
https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

However, asylum seeking women, many of whom have experienced violence and abuse are retraumatised in the British asylum system and are turning to selling sex to help feed their children.

No there isn't. The opposite.

The fiscal impact of migration varies by immigration route
Migrants come to the UK for different reasons, including work, study, family and asylum. Migrants coming through different immigration routes have different characteristics, and this will affect their fiscal impacts. For example, people migrating to the UK for work have the highest employment rates, while refugees have lower employment rates and also earn less. Visa categories where workers have higher earnings, come without children, or come for short periods are expected to be more fiscally beneficial, based on the research findings cited above.

And

However, they found that low-wage workers had a negative lifetime fiscal impact, while high-wage workers had a positive one.

1.5 million net negative per low skill migrant.

The more low wage we accept the more high wage we have to accept to balance out.

And all this does is push the debt issue further out. Which is why we know hearing so much about state pensions being unaffordable.

The myth that migrants are going to pay everyone's is an economic failure.

We are in fact going to have to cut pensions sooner BECAUSE of low skill migration.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

Oh stop it. You know exactly what I was saying. No one is illegal when they arrive on UK shores.and apply for asylum.

Once their claim is assessed and deemed inadequate, they are deported. As I clearly said earlier.

Clear enough?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2024/how-many-people-are-returned-from-the-uk

Enforced returns
In 2024 there were 8,164 enforced returns to another country, an increase of 28% on the previous year (6,361).

Figure 1 shows that enforced returns have increased steadily following the low numbers of returns during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 and 2021, with the latest year total (8,164) now higher than the number of returns observed immediately prior to the pandemic (7,198 in 2019).

Albanian nationals represent a large proportion of enforced returns over this period. Enforced returns of Albanian nationals increased following the signing of the UK Albanian Joint Communique in December 2022. The year 2022 also saw a substantial influx of Albanian small boat arrivals which have resulted in increased returns in the subsequent years.

So the Albanians came and went. Some of them. The drug trafficking is likely still in place.

Not many others though.

It's the lalala everything is wonderful you racist bigot attitude demonstrated on this thread that is baked into the immigration system that is the problem.

Yookay is fucked.

I don’t need to ‘stop it’ in your words. Your post said no such thing as illegal immigrants and that everyone who didn’t get status was deported. It was just incorrect, it’s fine to say yes it was incorrect. It’s not a big deal.

Also no not everyone is deported, that’s part of why we do have undocumented migrants. We are a high as Germany in that regard - and they have ID which usually gets mentioned.

Shockingly potato, we don't accept refugees because they're potential 'net contributors'. We accept them because we're signed up to various international treaties such as the Refugee Convention and have obligations.

@MrsSkylerWhite

i think you’ll find that, if you break it down by nationality and skills upon arrival, there are some pretty clear patterns about who is likely to be a net contributor. Frankly, it’s pretty obvious that the asylum seeker blokes who are currently robbing people on Oxford Street and just being allowed to get on with it are not going to be net contributors ever. Before Brexit, the figures were that EU migrants were likely to be net contributors and non-eu migrants were on average not likely, but that’s probably skewed by the fact that lots of non EU migrants brought over dependents (in some communities, women who would never speak English or work out of the house) who would dilute their contributions on a per capita basis. It’s not the basis of a sensible debate about migration to say “immigrants are net contributors”, because you’ve got doctors, hedge fund managers and business people who come in on skills visas and who nobody objects to coming at all propping up the contributions of some other categories of migrants who most people would prefer came in far smaller numbers, if at all; most people want the contributors but don’t want the non contributors and it is totally possible to have a system that skews far more towards contributors. Other countries do! Almost no one wants no migration, they want to be a lot choosier than we are.

I know. It's an out dated treaty that is causing enormous unplanned change to the future of the country. 70 percent of London maternity services funding is now spent on births to foreign parents and this is increasing annually, from all types of migration.

Population projections now show that English people in their 40s will be a minority in the Yookay by the time they retire.

That's possibly what you want to happen and are happy for it to happen.

The general consensus has been that we are racist bigots if we have a view until recently.

I think the overton window has shifted dramatically recently.

The Yookay is visibly a confusing and confused place with, as I was corrected earlier, 100 nationalities here.

I seriously doubt most of them came here to live with 100 nationalities.

But that's what they have created by coming here.