Afraid for US

[LunaTheCat]

I have been watching US politics and thinking about events in LA.
What terrifies me is the complicity of ordinary people.
I can get over a narcissistic, sociopathic leader but ordinary citizens… in the military, ICE are complicit . It reminds me so much rise of facism in 1930’s Germany…Hitler could not done what he did without ordinary Germans… feels like we are going there again.

The whole point of what's happening in the US is that the people being detained are there illegally no matter where they are from originally, what religion they are etc etc.

That has always happened in the US. What's new are the targets and the method. In the past documented illegals whose application failed would usually be given notice. Time to quit jobs, sell stuff, close their bank accounts etc. They were given a date by which to self-deport and provide documents for their journey.

All very reasonable, civilised and at little cost to the taxpayer.

What's happening now is that parents, spouses, friends, neighbours, employees are being snatched off the streets, imprisoned and sent who knows where (Trump's talking about sending people to Guantanamo now) without notice or due process.

He is calling for the arrest of his democratically elected political opponents. He is putting the US Army on the streets of America. He is pushing the law and constitution to breaking point declaring "National Emergencies". Soon it will break.

That's reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

But of course, all very normal courses of action🙄

@TooBigForMyBoots

I"n the past documented illegals whose application failed would usually be given notice. Time to quit jobs, sell stuff, close their bank accounts etc. They were given a date by which to self-deport and provide documents for their journey.

All very reasonable, civilised and at little cost to the taxpayer."

Or in reality:

In the past documented illegals whose applications failed would be given notice. Knowing they would be deported this allowed them time to move State quickly and disappear into the wider country, and set up again elsewhere.

All very naive and totally ineffective and a waste of taxpayers money.

Seems to me that if you're in a country illegally, and with no real ethical justification (e.g., you're not running away from a war zone), there's little incentive to announce yourself by applying for citizenship.

What's unprecedented is Trump's flamboyant cruelty and his obvious enjoyment in creating panic.

A country leta an idiot run the asylum but the inmates are crazy ones i would say

I never understand there is a bunch of leaders who want to throw their toys at each other because someone took their lost marbles off them as kids sure I get it, as ridiculous as it sounds

It is the buffoons I imagine going 'bomb x sure sounds like great idea lers do it' that i can get my head around

On a much less of a scale an op (not talking this thread) starts a thread and sounds 'confused' sure get it but it is the poster's going along with them and encouraging them in their odd thinking that makes the least sense, so in a way is world leaders any different

I try and stay away from these threads because of crap like this. The US and much of the UK services wouldn't run without immigrants. Many immigrants are net contributors and if they aren't their kids may well be. Why drink the right wing Kool Aid. Are you a net contributor?