Afraid for US

[LunaTheCat]

I have been watching US politics and thinking about events in LA.
What terrifies me is the complicity of ordinary people.
I can get over a narcissistic, sociopathic leader but ordinary citizens… in the military, ICE are complicit . It reminds me so much rise of facism in 1930’s Germany…Hitler could not done what he did without ordinary Germans… feels like we are going there again.

Also because until now the IRS wasn't providing their data to DHS.

No, deportation not new. The US deports millions every year. Mostly the undocumented, criminal or recently arrived.

What is new is the indiscriminate deportation of documented "illegals" who are law abiding, tax paying residents and parents of American children. Instantly and without due process. What's also new is the militarisation of ICE and the president mobilising the army on American soil.

@JasmineAllen Stonewall is not and has never been an arm of government operating within the rule of law enforcing government policies. It's a pressure group whose campaigning became obsolete with the introduction of Gay Marriage and then went mental.

Why don't/haven't documented illegal immigrants apply for citizenship?

re: Stonewall, that's a fair point. As I said it was the only comparison I could think of off the top of my head.

People have had enough of globalists and NGOs overwhelming our nations with third world immigrants who aren't integrating.

They do apply. But it can take years and years and years.🐌🐌🐌 And loads of appointments with immigration.

I've seen lot of vox box clips where USA citixen are asked how much undocumented pay in tax and the say well clearly none.

Then get told they pay $97 billion but can claim for nothing - it's a huge surprise to them.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/undocumented-immigrants-can-do-pay-taxes-2025-02-26/

I've also seen some report when a state did aggressive deportations decade or so ago and they still haven't economically recovered.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-labor-market-impact-of-deportations/

They got $2.36 trillion from Tourism and it was set to be a huge growth industry
https://www.statista.com/chart/32465/travel-and-tourism-contribution-to-gdp-in-the-us/

which they've fucked up - as well as bussiness travel and foregien students. You see their press coverage of why Canadians have stopped crossing broarde and it's all tariffs and shrugs they'll be back - when Canadians are clear it's sovereignty being threatened - their media is just really bad at educating their population.

Problem is with everyday citzen standing up is so many are really struggling not to end up homeless - there wealth inequality is so steep - and many are protesting - which aren't always picked up in media - or starting legal actions in courts to push back.

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-homeless-people-are-in-the-us-what-does-the-data-miss/

They have a lot of problems - from infrastructure decline to wealth inequlity to a president and cabinet who just don't think rules apply to them.

They have already many precusors seen before civial wars break out - wealth inequality, political divides very much including media and seem to be heading for an economic downturn. They may yet avoid one - or they may go in another worrying direction - but I don't know anyone not thinking they are in trouble at the minute.

Plenty of ways to apply for visas and residence in whatever country. Illegally entering a country is a criminal offence.

What are you talking about?

The Obama administration deported over 3 million of them and ended the wet feet, dry feet policy, deporting even more than George W Bush who deported approximately 2 million. The way that Trump is doing it may be more extreme(As is just about everything that man does) but it’s certainly not unprecedented.

Yes I'd heard Obama administration was high in deportation numbers.

Apparently the trucks ICE were using in LA were know to cause issues with civilian populations it's why USA army stopped using them Afghanistan and Iraq and sold them on - something about the design seems to increase tensions with civilian populations. That and escalation of language and troops I think the administration wants the publicty and reaction they got.

But presumably it would be worth doing, so you're not at danger of being deported - like Carol who had been in the US for 20 years and is now in prison.

@TooBigForMyBoots I keep hearing the term "documented illegals"

If you're in the country illegally, what does documented mean in that context?

You'd think, but that's exactly what's happening.

Carol got an unexpected call to attend immigration. When she got there she was told it was to assist her American passport application. She was then brought to a room, told she was being detained for being illegal and shipped off to jail.

Carol is one person from a small town whose Trump voting residents are campaigning for her release. In places like LA it's happening on a much larger scale. And those protesting include many legal American citizens like the ones in Carol's town.

Trump's using this policy this way so he can put the army onto the streets of America. It's a very worrying time for the USA.

You are living in a known address with known employment and paying taxes while you progress your application for citizenship.

The true globalists are the ones trying to impose dictatorships everywhere whilst claiming it's all 'free speech' (as long as you agree with them).

You mean like Trump?

@TooBigForMyBoots thank you

Clearly the way they've been running things is a world away from what I'd consider sensible!

It's exactly who I mean of course! And all his international derivative counterparts

So people like Trump alongside NGOs have been flooding countries with people from lower income countries?

But they'd maybe come from the soviet union. I think this is a very dangerous road the discussion on the holocaust is going down, what Hitler did was abominable whether they were there for centuries or not. It's pitting minorities against each other.

I think you're confusing me with the earlier poster upthread?
I didn't mention NGOs
I mean the true globalist elite are the so-called populists. They're hypocrites only serving the interests of billionaires.

Yes, I thought you were the poster talking about globalists and NGOs. I wanted to hear more as I find it interesting.

It doesn't matter if they had come from the soviet union or if they were german. If they were in Germany legally it is nothing like what's happening in the US.

The whole point of what's happening in the US is that the people being detained are there illegally no matter where they are from originally, what religion they are etc etc.

Minorities are not being pitted against each other in any way, shape or form from what I can see.

The problem is that the due process of law is not being followed. people are being deported without hearings. They are being sent to places they do not belong. Law enforcement and the military are stretching the traditional boundaries of their right to operate.

That is where the real problem lies. Not that sadly some people might be deported, but that the very fabric of our democracy is being tested.

What's legal/ illegal changes all the time. As himself belongs we need to be aware of what is right and what is wrong.

Then look harder!