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Reform party

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Gman1 · 02/05/2025 17:13

Is the growing intrest in the reform party a sign that racism is growing in this country and has now become acceptable.

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2dogsandabudgie · 04/05/2025 15:11

RolandH · 03/05/2025 21:17

The thing that most worries me is that, if Reform are taking their stance from the Republicans under Trump, then they won't respect democracy when they get in, and we won't be able to vote them out again.

I don't know how many of their supporters have thought about it from this angle - I suspect most of them haven't.

Basically, we have no evidence that Reform will act as a loyal opposition - as the Tories, Labour, or any other major party would - and lots of evidence they will be looking to subvert the institutions so they can never be kicked out, by an election at least.

They make alot of flaunting that they are willing to make the same sorts of decisions as Trump's Republicans. Well, if they say that, we should assume they are also willing to undermine democracy.

Basically, if you have, or are considering voting Reform, just think on that. Are you sure you would not be helping to take away the vote from everyone else, and yourself, ultimately. If you know someone thinking to vote Reform, please bring this up with them.

They may do that or they may not. It's another 4 years until a GE so let's see how well Reform do in the meantime.

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Gman1 · 04/05/2025 17:39

Interesting thing is ive not heard anybody come forward and say i
voted reform for these reasons, but i deplore racism,sexist and homophobics of any kind and its time the leaders of this party rooted out these dispicable narrow minded individuals so it can be taken seriously.
I agree that two party politics has done nobody any good and its time to hold these partys to acount.
So proportional representation should be introduced and all people of working age should be allowed to vote.Then prehaps a party that consists mainly of white men over the age of 40 may have very little affect.
As i suspect the younger more educated adults of this nation may be better placed to understand what is required.

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2dogsandabudgie · 04/05/2025 17:43

Gman1 · 04/05/2025 17:39

Interesting thing is ive not heard anybody come forward and say i
voted reform for these reasons, but i deplore racism,sexist and homophobics of any kind and its time the leaders of this party rooted out these dispicable narrow minded individuals so it can be taken seriously.
I agree that two party politics has done nobody any good and its time to hold these partys to acount.
So proportional representation should be introduced and all people of working age should be allowed to vote.Then prehaps a party that consists mainly of white men over the age of 40 may have very little affect.
As i suspect the younger more educated adults of this nation may be better placed to understand what is required.

Wow talk about being ageist.

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Gman1 · 04/05/2025 18:00

Ye i know its awful, but prehaps its true.

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dubsie · 04/05/2025 19:07

No not at all, it's the benefit of living in a democracy that you are allowed to vote for any candidate. Some of you who suggested that Starmer is authoritarian clearly don't understand the meaning because if he was your ballot paper wouldn't have many options or you'd be locked up during ballot day

Let's see what Farage does with his newly elected councillors. As an MP himself he has held no surgeries, skipped 80% of parliaments votes and holds ten jobs.

So let's see what he really stands for and when you can't get a bus or your community centre closes then please don't moan because you didn't read his policies

dubsie · 04/05/2025 20:20

2dogsandabudgie · 04/05/2025 17:43

Wow talk about being ageist.

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They should reduce voting age, young people aren't getting a say in a country that is very top heavy.

As for proportional rep, it's always the argument of those seeking power but once they have power suddenly they don't want it... typical politics. I've never really considered it myself largely because I'm not sure it would make a difference.....

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Dbank · 05/05/2025 09:37

dubsie · 04/05/2025 20:20

They should reduce voting age, young people aren't getting a say in a country that is very top heavy.

As for proportional rep, it's always the argument of those seeking power but once they have power suddenly they don't want it... typical politics. I've never really considered it myself largely because I'm not sure it would make a difference.....

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I'm more concerned why over 40% of the electorate didn't vote, than asking children's opinion.

Ridiculous

twistyizzy · 05/05/2025 09:40

dubsie · 04/05/2025 20:20

They should reduce voting age, young people aren't getting a say in a country that is very top heavy.

As for proportional rep, it's always the argument of those seeking power but once they have power suddenly they don't want it... typical politics. I've never really considered it myself largely because I'm not sure it would make a difference.....

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Because they are children! That's why they don't have a vote. Labour will 100% lower voting age though in an attempt to get more support, not because it's the right thing to do.

Movinginthesunlight · 05/05/2025 09:42

Doris86 · 02/05/2025 19:07

Wanting controls on immigration isn’t racist. If it was then Australia would be one of the most racist countries in the world.

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Completely agree. Utterly bored of people barking "racist" to anyone that says immigration is a growing problem in the uk.

Blackluxe · 05/05/2025 09:53

OneFunBrickNewt · 04/05/2025 07:22

Lots of fickle voters in Britain. Labour inherited a massive mess. Not only did the Tories fuck up the economy, public services and trust in politicians, but they refused to acknowledge this. Labour, led by a decent man, have been left a massive job to rectify this. The only way they can do this is by taking tough decisions. The Winter Fuel Allowance was a benefit paid for based on age- so it meant that Charles in Buckingham Palace got it as he's a pensioner, and my parents got it. They've just come back from staying in one of South East Asia's nicest hotels, and are planning their next trip to India. In short, they didn't need it, and often donated it to either charity, or my family.
Unfortunately, the country couldn't afford to keep paying this non-means tested benefit, which was a Tory bribe to pensioners to vote for them. So it was cut to just the neediest people. Likewise changes to PIP payments- not what most Labour politiicans went into politics to do, but there's no alternative as the country was fucked by Liz Truss and colleagues.
This has nothing to do at all with migration. Britain takes less migrants per capita than many other countries in Europe and worldwide. The easiest way to stop te boats tomorrow is to eastablish safe and legal migration routes from safe and legal migration centres in Europe. Most of the people arriving here by boat are granted asylum- which is pretty tricky given you have to convine a decision maker you are genuine- so are in no way illegal. And it's not illegal to claim asylum in the first place. Why the government isn't standing up to the lies and dog whistle nonsense spouted relentessley by the Daily Mail, I just don't know.
It's pleasing to see that at least in Canada and Australia common sense has prevailed with their elections.
I think a lot of people are going to find out that far right, dog whistle rhetoric doesn't get the bins taken out, doesn't help if your child has SEND, and their will be a lot of voter regret. In the meantime, the boring decency and unfashionable work ethic of Starmer will slowly but surely demonstrate that he is a safe pair of hands for another term in goverment.

Very well said.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 05/05/2025 09:55

Scotland lowered the voting age to 16 in 2014 for the independence referendum and they still didn’t get the result they wanted.

EasternStandard · 05/05/2025 09:58

twistyizzy · 05/05/2025 09:40

Because they are children! That's why they don't have a vote. Labour will 100% lower voting age though in an attempt to get more support, not because it's the right thing to do.

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Of course it’s about potential votes. Although it might backfire on Labour and go to Reform.

TheNuthatch · 05/05/2025 10:04

EasternStandard · 05/05/2025 09:58

Of course it’s about potential votes. Although it might backfire on Labour and go to Reform.

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True.
At my dc secondary school, they had a mock election just before the actual GE. Reform won!

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/05/2025 10:05

countingthestar · 04/05/2025 08:32

People behave as though if only Reform could be made to vanish, the country would in some indefinable way become a nicer place. I disagree.

The more impassioned and zealous the attempts to silence Reform, Trump and his like, the more these attempts contribute to a sense of grievance by those who feel the social censure they receive for their opinions actually makes them the oppressed. And this all fuels exactly the kinds of populist movements that are currently popping up all over the western world and have been for some time.

You're right. The country would only be better place if we were able to get rid of all of the Reform voters as well as Reform themselves.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 05/05/2025 10:09

StoneofDestiny · 02/05/2025 22:01

Do people seriously think Farage is a good leader? Farage who supports Trump. Farage who criticised Ukraine? Farage who incited riots in our country? Farage who encourages racism? Farage who pushed for Brexit?

Yes because over half of the voters on Brexit voted leave!! Yours isn’t the only valid viewpoint on any given matter. If Labour voters could work that out, they wouldn’t be quite so surprised any time people voted differently to them.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 05/05/2025 10:12

You're right. The country would only be better place if we were able to get rid of all of the Reform voters as well as Reform themselves

Why are people not allowed to vote how they choose? Is there a law which says everyone has to agree with you?

Julen7 · 05/05/2025 10:14

TheNuthatch · 05/05/2025 10:04

True.
At my dc secondary school, they had a mock election just before the actual GE. Reform won!

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Same at my DD’s secondary

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/05/2025 10:18

GlobeTrotter2000 · 05/05/2025 10:12

You're right. The country would only be better place if we were able to get rid of all of the Reform voters as well as Reform themselves

Why are people not allowed to vote how they choose? Is there a law which says everyone has to agree with you?

Where have I said that they're not allowed to vote as they choose? I haven't tried to stop anyone from voting for anyone, and I have no intention of doing so.

I do, however, have opinions on those who choose to vote for Reform. As far as I'm aware, I still have the right to form my own views and to express them? And yes, I do think that the country would be infinitely better if we could be rid of Reform and all the idiots who vote for them. We can but dream. It doesn't mean that I'm about to sabotage our democracy.🙄

EasternStandard · 05/05/2025 10:23

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/05/2025 10:18

Where have I said that they're not allowed to vote as they choose? I haven't tried to stop anyone from voting for anyone, and I have no intention of doing so.

I do, however, have opinions on those who choose to vote for Reform. As far as I'm aware, I still have the right to form my own views and to express them? And yes, I do think that the country would be infinitely better if we could be rid of Reform and all the idiots who vote for them. We can but dream. It doesn't mean that I'm about to sabotage our democracy.🙄

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Well sure getting rid of people is one way to do it, but those people might think the same in return.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/05/2025 10:24

EasternStandard · 05/05/2025 10:23

Well sure getting rid of people is one way to do it, but those people might think the same in return.

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Well, yes. As long as they don't act on their thoughts or incite others to take action, they're free to think whatever they like. As am I.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 05/05/2025 10:25

And yes, I do think that the country would be infinitely better if we could be rid of Reform and all the idiots who vote for them. We can but dream. It doesn't mean that I'm about to sabotage our democracy.

What law states that your opinion is superior to those who think differently?

What law states that parties you like are the only ones that are allowed to exist?

Whats democratic about dictating how people should vote?

EasternStandard · 05/05/2025 10:25

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/05/2025 10:24

Well, yes. As long as they don't act on their thoughts or incite others to take action, they're free to think whatever they like. As am I.

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And voicing that feeling online or offline is ok as you have?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/05/2025 10:33

EasternStandard · 05/05/2025 10:25

And voicing that feeling online or offline is ok as you have?

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If they want to say that the UK would be better off without the people who vote for a particular political party, I have no issue with that personally. As long as it's clear that they aren't actually suggesting that anyone should take action against those people in any way.