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TheGoogleMum · 2025-05-02T08:23:50+00:00

I haven't been keeping very up to date with politics. I usually vote Labour. I don't really understand the popularity of reform, could anyone explain it to me? As far as I'm aware Farage doesn't actually do anything when he wins a seat somewhere so I'm not convinced they'll actually do anything? Is it just a protest vote that's gone a bit far?

ProfessionalOverthinker1 · 02/05/2025 21:46

Maitri108 · 02/05/2025 21:31

@ProfessionalOverthinker1 Of course action needs to be taken earlier but that's entirely dependent on what other countries are willing to do to stop them. Once they apprehend the asylum seekers, what happens for example?

I watched the footage and it was endearing to see Russia talking about international law. Those were the days...

Yeah, I agree there’s clearly a need for stronger cooperation between countries. The whole system feels disjointed. I’m not a politician, so I can’t speak to all the motivations behind the scenes, but I’m just saying what a lot of us on the ground are noticing. Europe can’t keep going like this. It’s not sustainable. Communities are being pushed to the edge, and governments are too soft or too scared to act. Everything’s become so watered down and “woke” that no one wants to say the truth anymore even when it’s obvious.

Did you see that article the other day? That UK is Now finally saying they are looking to block migrants with sexual convictions from applying for asylum. So you’re telling me this wasn’t already a rule?! How many predators have been let in all this time? That’s a serious failure on so many levels.

Like I said earlier, is Reform a solution? I’m not sure.. but clearly, past attempts by different parties haven’t worked. Not many options left…

Maitri108 · 02/05/2025 22:02

@ProfessionalOverthinker1 Yes there's a new immigration bill currently going through parliament and part of that is refusing refugee status to sex offenders even if their sentence is less than 12 months.

It's a complex issue because it's against the law to send people back to countries where they have a fear of persecution.

The issue isn't being 'woke', it's the law. Countries, as you highlighted in the footage, are breaking the law. Places like Hungary have authoritarian governments who aren't even pretending to respect the law.

It's going to need an international approach with everyone on board to find a solution.

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 22:17

beardhorse · 02/05/2025 13:59

Reform's appeal is that they are promising to:

abolish inheritance tax (obviously including farmers)
kick out all illegal immigrants
cut VAT on private schools
No tax on anyone earning up to £20k
abandon the current green initiative

How they will achieve this without significantly reducing the quality of services in hospitals or schools is unclear.

My worry personally would be, if you are being encouraged to demonise people who are here illegally, it's surely just a short step to encouraging hatred towards anyone with non-white skin, even if they are second, third or fourth generation. It's an ideology that breeds racism and division.

Reform voters know the difference between legal and illegal immigration.

EasternStandard · 02/05/2025 22:19

Maitri108 · 02/05/2025 22:02

@ProfessionalOverthinker1 Yes there's a new immigration bill currently going through parliament and part of that is refusing refugee status to sex offenders even if their sentence is less than 12 months.

It's a complex issue because it's against the law to send people back to countries where they have a fear of persecution.

The issue isn't being 'woke', it's the law. Countries, as you highlighted in the footage, are breaking the law. Places like Hungary have authoritarian governments who aren't even pretending to respect the law.

It's going to need an international approach with everyone on board to find a solution.

How easy is it to find out if someone is a sex offender?

In their country of origin that is

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 22:19

Jackrussellsaremad · 02/05/2025 10:19

I think they've said they will renationalise British Steel although I may be wrong. I'd actually agree with this one, in case we need to go to war.

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Yes, they will renationalised British steel and possibly water too.

BIossomtoes · 02/05/2025 22:22

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 22:19

Yes, they will renationalised British steel and possibly water too.

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They’ll do nothing of the sort because they’ll never be in power.

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 22:25

Maitri108 · 02/05/2025 21:34

This is exactly the point I'm making, this I'm all right Jack attitude.

Who cares about the elderly, the vulnerable, the sick, the poor, the homeless.

It's interesting that Reform supporters talk about the British helping the British - to many that means helping yourself.

Thanks for illustrating my point.

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@Maitri108,Labour don't care about pensioners or the disabled. They have openly attacked both. They also won't reverse the 2 DC c policy sonmany DC live in poverty. Reform voted against keeping the 2 child policy but Labour with huge majority just refused to reverse it anyway. Reform will reverse WFA cut for pensioners too.

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 22:27

EasternStandard · 02/05/2025 11:11

Labour too say things that resonate. My father is a toolmaker, smash the gangs, fastest growth in G7 (which we had and they stalled).

People just don’t see those as soundbites because they support Labour.

Liar Starmer's Dad owned the tool factory and made the tool.

BIossomtoes · 02/05/2025 22:33

Reform will reverse WFA cut for pensioners too.

They’ll have to win a general election first. Nobody appears to have missed their £150 much, I was expecting tabloid stories about pensioners dying of hypothermia but even the Mail doesn’t appear to have found any.

skirtingcurtain · 02/05/2025 22:34

Labour don't care about pensioners or the disabled. They have openly attacked both.

How did they attack pensioners?

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 22:34

Menopausalsourpuss · 02/05/2025 21:13

Masses of quangos, net zero (which in imo is mad as we just make things in other countries and ship them here which uses MORE CO2, and we even import wood pellets from US while sorting on loads of coal etc)., putting loads of small cos out of business as we have one of the highest energy costs in the world, paying landlords to rent to illegal immigrants, paying Mauritius to give them land we own whilst ignoring the indigenous people, paying benefits to foreigners, paying 5million healthy people to sit on benefits whilst importing yet more low skilled people. The list goes on and on and on.

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Giving away Chagos Islands to Mauritius who have never owned them and are in fact 1600 miles away is utter madness. Then renting them back shows just how thick KS is. Stuff like this whilst cutting benefits for the disabled. Shameful.

skirtingcurtain · 02/05/2025 22:34

do you mean means testing winter fuel?!

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 22:35

BIossomtoes · 02/05/2025 22:33

Reform will reverse WFA cut for pensioners too.

They’ll have to win a general election first. Nobody appears to have missed their £150 much, I was expecting tabloid stories about pensioners dying of hypothermia but even the Mail doesn’t appear to have found any.

Didn’t they just introduce means testing? So now it goes only to those who need it?

Tiddlywinkly · 02/05/2025 22:36

Miley23 · 02/05/2025 11:39

Conservatives failed to control immigration for 14 years and labour don't appear to be doing as much as people had hoped.

This

BIossomtoes · 02/05/2025 22:37

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 22:34

Giving away Chagos Islands to Mauritius who have never owned them and are in fact 1600 miles away is utter madness. Then renting them back shows just how thick KS is. Stuff like this whilst cutting benefits for the disabled. Shameful.

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No choice, mate.

Mauritius has been engaged in a sovereignty dispute with the UK, claiming the Chagos Archipelago as part of Mauritius. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea have both stated that the UK has an obligation to return the islands to Mauritius.

International Court of Justice - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

skirtingcurtain · 02/05/2025 22:38

how are Reform going to fund this utopia? I've read about new taxes on foreign workers but won't this foreign workers just not come? Massive cuts to government spending? what are they going to cut?

skirtingcurtain · 02/05/2025 22:40

Didn’t they just introduce means testing? So now it goes only to those who need it?

Yes, which apparently translates as an attack & a lack of caring!

neilyoungismyhero · 02/05/2025 22:42

Fluffyholeysocks · 02/05/2025 09:29

I think alot of the electorate are disillusioned with both Labour and the Conservatives. So it's not the 'appeal' of Reform, it's just that the other two parties aren't inspiring any enthusiasm from voters.

Exactly this.

Maitri108 · 02/05/2025 22:45

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 22:25

@Maitri108,Labour don't care about pensioners or the disabled. They have openly attacked both. They also won't reverse the 2 DC c policy sonmany DC live in poverty. Reform voted against keeping the 2 child policy but Labour with huge majority just refused to reverse it anyway. Reform will reverse WFA cut for pensioners too.

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How are they going to do that with lower taxes and smaller government?

EasternStandard · 02/05/2025 22:46

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 22:34

Giving away Chagos Islands to Mauritius who have never owned them and are in fact 1600 miles away is utter madness. Then renting them back shows just how thick KS is. Stuff like this whilst cutting benefits for the disabled. Shameful.

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Yep

skirtingcurtain · 02/05/2025 22:59

The main issue facing us is the changing demographics. An ageing population requires higher taxes & a bigger state. So many are in denial about this though. I don't understand why.

RedWhite · 02/05/2025 23:05

Maitri108 · 02/05/2025 21:34

This is exactly the point I'm making, this I'm all right Jack attitude.

Who cares about the elderly, the vulnerable, the sick, the poor, the homeless.

It's interesting that Reform supporters talk about the British helping the British - to many that means helping yourself.

Thanks for illustrating my point.

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Charity begins at home in every respect. You need to be able to feed, clothe and keep a roof over the head of your own children before you consider giving away cash to help others.

Very easy for the wealthy and privileged but the average family that can barely keep afloat it’s really difficult, so don’t come at @Jackrussellsaremad with the mocking “I’m alright Jack comments” because for millions of families life is an absolute struggle right now and they should absolutely be helped above and before anyone else!!

Mock all you like but the issue is real and that’s why you see the Reform party doing exceedingly well.

skirtingcurtain · 02/05/2025 23:11

@RedWhite you think the average Reform
voter wants to help those you are describing? Won't the narrative be don't have dc you can't afford etc?

Maitri108 · 02/05/2025 23:14

RedWhite · 02/05/2025 23:05

Charity begins at home in every respect. You need to be able to feed, clothe and keep a roof over the head of your own children before you consider giving away cash to help others.

Very easy for the wealthy and privileged but the average family that can barely keep afloat it’s really difficult, so don’t come at @Jackrussellsaremad with the mocking “I’m alright Jack comments” because for millions of families life is an absolute struggle right now and they should absolutely be helped above and before anyone else!!

Mock all you like but the issue is real and that’s why you see the Reform party doing exceedingly well.

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The poster said they would be fine personally if people pay less tax and public services get worse. That's not the sign of someone struggling.

If you're going to comment, it helps to read up on what you're commenting on.

The point I was making was that Reform supporters keep saying that we should help the homeless rather than asylum seekers. Yet don't want to pay towards it.

Part of the welfare state and NHS is giving everyone support where necessary, from cradle to the grave. Society agreed to pay towards a safety net for societies vulnerable.

skirtingcurtain · 02/05/2025 23:18

Part of the welfare state and NHS is giving everyone support where necessary, from cradle to the grave

this is no longer affordable though