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Do you think Zelensky will be alive a year from now?

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MsAmerica · 14/02/2025 00:14

Or has Trump's re-election essentially been his death-knell?

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kirinm · 19/02/2025 14:28

BeardofHagrid · 19/02/2025 11:43

Not dead but serving a long sentence in a penal colony for his many crimes as the unelected dictator* of Ukraine (corruption and money-laundering for starters). Same for wifey.

*He has banned wartime elections

So did Winston Churchill. Was he a dictator?

Echobelly · 19/02/2025 14:36

Time40 · 18/02/2025 22:14

I think that, very sadly, it's more likely than not that he won't be alive in a year's time. The world is in an extremely dark place.

I was just thinking that I don't reckon on Zelenskyy's chances of survival. Putin and Trump can't have a symbol of resistance and integrity left alive.😓

MrTiddlesTheCat · 19/02/2025 14:47

How can you safely have wartime elections in a country that has been invaded? How will the people in the occupied areas cast their votes? How will you keep people safe when they assemble at known polling stations? What about when politicians go to vote so their whereabouts are known? What about disruptions to postal services? Etc, etc.

This is blatant Russian propaganda and you know full well that if there was an election and he won then they'd be screaming about how it was unfair because of those questions.

dubsie · 19/02/2025 15:21

Putin is a thug and has no regard for international law, unfortunately the United States seems to be heading in that direction. If you look at the growing number of countries that are now blatantly flaunting our commitments and laws I think you'll agree we are heading towards a dark period of history. South Africa, America, China Israel, Russia....we should be worried.

When you have a president talking about invasions of Canada and Greenland, ethnic cleansing of Gaza and entering peace negotiations without both parties present.

We all accept that the Ukrainian borders may not return to what they were but the idea that they should become Russian and Russia gets to be business as normal beggars belief. Sanctions should stay until Putin is gone and we can have a grown up debate on how the damage can be put right and how we pay for the Ukraine....my opinion is that Russia should pay

Zonder · 19/02/2025 15:27

Zusammengebrochen · 19/02/2025 10:17

Not discussing it at length does not mean we are not aware of it!
I also wouldn't like to pretend I have any clue what his family are going through or feel like. A random person on MN isn't going to change their lives.

I thought you were leaving this thread, not just trying to be the thought police.

dubsie · 19/02/2025 17:26

HauntedBungalow · 19/02/2025 11:17

NATO had been in Ukraine for years before the invasion. It was NATO being in Ukraine that precipitated the invasion. Ukraine needed less NATO not more NATO.

You mean America not NATO, it was American arms in disputed regions that gave Russia the excuse. Had NATO committed troops Russia would never had invaded. Russia would lose against NATO end of ...we have superior everything....and lots of it.

Peggytibby · 20/02/2025 13:58

I think Trump and Vance might meet with a nasty accident in the not too distant future tbh

Zonder · 20/02/2025 16:12

Peggytibby · 20/02/2025 13:58

I think Trump and Vance might meet with a nasty accident in the not too distant future tbh

Really? At whose hands? They seem to be doing plenty to keep in with potential plotters.

dubsie · 20/02/2025 18:28

What Trump says may not be reflected by US military top brass, Trump has some hurdles to jump before he can convince military generals that Russia is some kind of ally.

My personal view is that we should settle the conflict with concessions from both sides, but the cost of rebuilding the Ukraine should by met by Russia. In exchange for this we could open up some of our markets for Russian businesses. The Ukraine should become a NATO member and only the traditional disputed territories should remain under Russian control.

I've said it before that wars by proxy go on for years and Europe must now weigh up what the next best move is....but we must be decisive and robust. We can not show weakness and if the decision is to defend the Ukraine then we must send our own troops as a show of unity.

MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 22:48

upinaballoon · 14/02/2025 18:59

Do you mean his death-knell as in his cause is lost or do you mean that he will be killed?
It's certainly not a comfortable situation for him.
About two years ago I very much wished that Zelensky and Navalny would both be alive 'in five years time', meaning about three years from now.
I saw a shot of Vance talking to European dignitaries today. They didn't look too enthralled at what he was saying.

My goodness! I never expected such a sizable response.

I hope Zelensky's cause - hoping for freedom and democracy - will never be lost. But I meant it literally. There have already been multiple attempts on his life, and Putin is known for doing away with adversaries. And that's on top of all the "accidental" possibilities of a Russian missile happening to hit his train.

About two years ago, I would have guessed that Navalny would have outlived Zelensky. sigh

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MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 22:51

GildedRage · 14/02/2025 19:06

I would hope so, he’s a relatively young man.
Politically the Ukraine is due for an election although it’s rare for elections to be called in the middle of an actual war.
All politicians face a certain threat, that being said I suspect Trump might be a higher value target, Putin and possibly some other leaders in Africa (I don’t get as much info on their conflicts).

I doubt Zelensky's age has anything to do with it. Navalny was in his 40s.
In America, Trump supporters are constantly calling Zelensky a dictator for forbidding elections, ignoring the fact that it's in the Ukrainian constitution.
Could you please explain what you mean about Trump being a "higher value" target? Do you mean that more people want him dead?

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MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 22:52

TimeWarSoldier · 14/02/2025 19:11

What do you think?

When I originally posted this, I thought, yes, Trump's election has shortened Zelensky's life. But I think so even more strongly now.

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MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 22:54

Westfacing · 18/02/2025 15:51

Who knows what will happen to him once a peace deal is forced upon Ukraine - the Russians have a way of eliminating their enemies.

Zelensky certainly fits the 'Cometh the hour, cometh the man' expression.

Exactly. If Zelensky ever meets with Putin, I hope he remembers to stay on the ground floor.

I'm not familiar with the expression you quote. Could you explain?

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MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 22:55

roses2 · 18/02/2025 16:00

Probably from an “unknown virus” after the war ends. I can’t see it going in much longer with the US investment in Russia. Not sure what the US are angling for but they clearly have some motivation to end the war, maybe the sanctions are hurting them.

Trump is angling for more money/power for Trump.

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MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 22:56

dubsie · 18/02/2025 21:22

Zelensky is simply standing up for his country and it's right to sovereignty. I hope he manages to secure something of value and the country moves on.

I really wish we had made more of an effort to protect the Ukraine before the invasion as I don't believe Putin would have gone up against NATO.

Had the Ukraine not stood firm then the Ukraine would now be Russia

Totally agree. If everyone had rushed in immediately, this would have stopped.
The phrase "nipped in the bud" comes to mind.

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MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 22:57

Iamallowedtodisagreewithyou · 18/02/2025 21:49

Yes I do think he'll be alive. I think there is more chance of trump being assassinated than Zelensky. Look how close the last shooter got. Hit him on the ear.

You may be right, but I don't think it's either/or.

I've been wondering for months if Trump realizes he's setting himself up for assassination.

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MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 22:59

2024YR4 · 18/02/2025 22:52

This is what is so sad-he’s a real person, he was an actor, he clearly never set out to be where he is now but he’s there and he has done his absolute best with dignity, courage and strength but despite that he won’t win it’s being taken completely out of his hands and that’s wrong. I do think sadly he won’t be around for long. Perhaps he could leave and go somewhere safe but I don’t think he would want to leave his country.

It's more than his absolute best. I think he rose to the situation beyond what anyone might have imagined.

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MsAmerica · 09/03/2025 23:00

blueshoes · 19/02/2025 00:09

So you are condoning the right of Russia to kill him, yes?

Why would you imagine such a thing? She didn't say that at all!

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