Not all cultures equally valid, says Kemi Badenoch

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Badenoch when talking about immigration has spoken about not all cultures being equal. By that she meant that we have to be careful about who we let into the country and to make sure they respect Western values.

We take in a lot of immigrants from India for example, which has one of the highest rates of child marriage in the world and some of the highest rates of sexual assault.

Is she suggesting that we stop accepting people from India and similar countries or is she suggesting that they are indoctrinated into Western values?

We bring in a lot of immigrants to do essential jobs such as work in the NHS, so how does that work exactly? Are they going to be sent to a Western values bootcamp?

Is this just dog whistle politics? She knows this is a hot topic at the moment and that there is a lot of tension around certain cultures in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/29/kemi-badenoch-not-all-cultures-equally-valid-immigration

Think what you want, the reality is, many people agree with her.

Then why don't you give an opinion. How do we stop immigrants from countries coming here that don't have Western values when we need them for jobs?

This is her article.

We have lost voters’ trust because we promised to lower migration and failed to do so

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What Kemi actually means is Muslims. Course, by that twisted logic, she wouldn't have entered the country either.

These threads are never designed for discussion, that’s the point.

The sole purpose is to pontificate your own moral standing and how so much better you all are.

Hence the passive aggressive reply. You aren’t at all interested in discussion.

Absolutely @Lentilweaver!

I don't think we ought to allow groups fighting on the streets about Indian or whatever political issues. I do agree that more should be done about arranged marriages of children.

But we don't need to demonise an ethnic group to do those things We should take action anyway, via the law. Also, a bit rich from Badenoch, who is otherwise happy to trample on cultural difference as "woke". And anyway, where would she get the resources from to prioritise these things-she's so keen on a low tax economy.

For many years words like culture and community, or sometimes democracy, have been employed by politicians for the own diverse ends, and to mean whatever's they say it means at the time.

Separately, she's definitely one for spending tax payers money on herself. (eg see Guardian 24 July).

She's divisive and I don't trust her an inch.

It's almost exactly the same as Nigeria.
The UK isn't at the top though. She should surely be working towards that? Adopting policies that the top countries have like Norway et al. Slightly against her maternity cutting plans.
She will say anything that will get the Daily Mail on side. Vile woman.

You can stop forced marriages, sexual abuse, and all kinds of things without demonising entire countries. Because as Kemi well knows, if we accepted her logic, we wouldn't have her former pals Sunak, Braverman, Patel, Cleverley or Kwarteng in the country.
No dog whistler like a Tory POC dogwhistler, desperate to placate the racists.

I agree with her.

So what you're saying is that all Indian immigrants to the UK are progressive and hold no values contrary to British values? The vetting process for India obviously works, so that should be applied to all countries, obviously.

I did mention Nigeria as their treatment of women and girls is appalling, they are rated at 125 on the Gender Gap Index.

No, I am claiming that no immigrant from any country can be fully guaranteed to be progressive, really, and follow British values. I also find the phrase British values quite vague really. If you want people who value education, secularism, liberalism and freedom for women, they are absolutely not confined to Western nations.

Surely you're also pontificating but without adding anything of value.

I know it probably shouldn’t, but I’m always particularly surprised when people who themselves could be subject to prejudice, demonstrate it about others. Shows considerable denseness, to me.

Your other problem will be that people from progressive countries with great treatment of women won't want to move here. I don't see Swedes, Germans, Japanese and Singaporeans queuing up to move to the UK to nurse our elderly.

Not when she's trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. She doesn't come across as dense and has come out with very divisive views before in order to appeal to certain voters.

Why is this prejudice when I said twisted? That's what Kemi means. Even if it is not true. It's clear. That's why she is singling herself out as a good immigrant with a Christian upbringing.

Oh sorry, I misread your comment @Apolloneuro . Apologies. It's a fast moving thread.

Well she is right but unfortunately this is real price for not training their own people here and pay competitive salaries. Plus having the ones coming eventually getting benefits as payment is the minimum wages.

Given her background, if she is trying to appeal to right wing voters, she would do well to look at the experience of non-straight white male Republicans in the US. She may think she can appeal to them but they will turn on her and campaign for policies that exclude her just as soon as they can. As they say on various US forums I have read "tokens always get spent".

She is absolutely right- there is no argument in my mind that western democracies with equal rights, free speech and tolerance are superior to misogynists, homophobes and theocracies/fascists.

I don’t know why anyone would disagree with that.

Amazingly, nobody has.

“Sounds like she has a point. Some cultures have little respect for women. Are surprised when they are arrested for sexual assault. 'Oh it is accepted in our country'.”

Well as long as people are arrested and face a fair trial when charged that's ok isn't it?

Badenoch is apparently the favourite of Tory members so if Tory MPs put her forward as one of the final two she'll likely be made leader. And we shall see how that goes for the Tory party.

Why? Is she Muslim or are her parents Muslim?

We take in a huge amount of people from India and Nigeria who don't have a similar outlook to us, neither are progressive when it comes to women's rights, yet she doesn't mention them.

I don't know about this when it comes to Nigeria. You may be mistaking Northern Nigeria with other parts of Nigeria. Northern Nigeria is made up of predominantly Muslims. Other parts of Nigeria is more diverse and they're definitely progressive and have similar outlook, even if not up to the western level. These are the people you'd predominantly see here and other western countries.

The Northerners more often go to countries with their Islamic values, such as countries in the Middle East.

Nigeria is 125 on the gender gap index. 43% of girls marry before the age of 18, 16% before 15 years. Nearly 20% have experienced FGM. 6% of lawmakers are women, less than half of women work, 30% of 9-12 year old girls have never been to school. 20% of global maternal deaths are Nigerian.

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