Not all cultures equally valid, says Kemi Badenoch

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Badenoch when talking about immigration has spoken about not all cultures being equal. By that she meant that we have to be careful about who we let into the country and to make sure they respect Western values.

We take in a lot of immigrants from India for example, which has one of the highest rates of child marriage in the world and some of the highest rates of sexual assault.

Is she suggesting that we stop accepting people from India and similar countries or is she suggesting that they are indoctrinated into Western values?

We bring in a lot of immigrants to do essential jobs such as work in the NHS, so how does that work exactly? Are they going to be sent to a Western values bootcamp?

Is this just dog whistle politics? She knows this is a hot topic at the moment and that there is a lot of tension around certain cultures in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/29/kemi-badenoch-not-all-cultures-equally-valid-immigration

Exactly. She's missed the boat by about 60 years for this.

And I say that as a third generation British Muslim. My grandfather (a Muslim man) arrived in the 60s to work in mills and factories. The UK government needed men like him to carry out manual labour.... Those men now have children, grandchildren and great-grandhcildren - is it a surprise that we will have taken on board some of those "values" and "culture"? (E.g. I am a Muslim)

So they have to pass tests on Western values before they take up their jobs? For example, equality, freedom of speech, freedom of faith etc

I don't think her thoughts could ever become actual law or policy - wouldn't she would be going against the equality act by actively discriminating against people from a specific race or religion?

What does she intend to do about those who were born in this country as second, third or fourth generation immigrants and may not conform to all of her values?

Also she is Nigerian. Nigeria has a terrible track record for women's rights- by her own logic, she should therefore never have been allowed in this country.

The flaw with her argument is that the population of an entire nation isn't homogeneous. I.e Not everyone in Nigeria will have the same view of women's rights so then what? How do you decide who to let in and who to turn away?

Moreover, she talks about being against oppressive cultures where women are confined to the home (plenty of privileged white, English women also do this) but then wants to reduce maternity pay... This would push more women back into the home and mean that men revert back to being the breadwinners. Ironic because in Islam (because let's face it, her issue is with Muslims) men are described as the "providers and maintainers of women"... She sounds very confused, prejudiced and quite ignorant. Not a great cocktail for political leadership?

Also she is Nigerian.

She is British.

@candlewhickgreen I don't know the answer to the question you asked Saskia, but when I worked for the NHS I remember queues down the road trying to register for the NMC (Nursing and Midwifery Council). It wasn't just a matter of just completing a form. There was also a unit in DfE (Department for Education) which had the task of mapping various countries' qualifications against ours, to know where any gaps lay.

She is British but was raised in Nigeria.

My point wasn't about bringing in immigrants to the UK to work in the NHS. It was about a vetting process to check people conform to British values.

Her point was that we should be careful about who we let in because they don't have Western values, my point was how does she plan to tackle that?

I think the teacher from Batley who is now in hiding because Muslims have made credible threats on his life might have a slightly stricter opinion about other cultures who insist on changing ours.
The threats have not been rescinded. I have not seen apologies from the Religious leaders either. Have I missed them?

Views like yours will lead to a new era of strife in this country. Your (wilful or otherwise) failure to accept the consequences of allowing lots of people with antithetical values into our country is bizarre, but then I guess for British liberals the depoliticisation of the political choice to allow mass migration is a core belief. And allied to the depoliticisation is a determination to regard British cultural values as a crock of shit relative to the wonders that immigrants bring with them. God forbid that we say, “FGM is grotesque and so cannot be practiced here.” Bonus question: how many people have been prosecuted under the relevant laws outlawing FGM?

There is social-scientific term for the kind of disorder that will take place by the way - ethnic conflict.

I read your point as more insidious and anti-western. How dare we stand up for our values? Who are we to police the beliefs and values arriving in our country?

Interested to know how would you distinguish between a person who practices FGM and one who doesn't if both have work visas?

My question is:

How is the government going to ensure that immigrants coming into the UK have Western values and what are they going to do to ensure integration?

I assume that since you have very strong opinions on the matter you'll know. Over to you.

That's the internet for you, everything is open to interpretation.

Reducing maternity leave and pay apparently. 🤷‍♀️

I don't understand, the authors argument because by definition, she against immigration for people like her parents. Is she saying she shouldn't be in the UK?

It's accepted in our bloody country. The 'progressive British values yay" crowd need a good hard look around them.

Vile.

It was a garbled interview but as she has clarified, she meant the burden of regulation on employers was excessive not maternity pay.

@Teddleshon She said it was “excessive “, as has been widely reported.

Kemi Badenoch maternity pay comments spark Tory row www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm24vzd52p4o

She didn't deny it. she just said she didn't hate all Muslims saying she liked some in countries like Saudi Arabia because they liked Israel 😂. It's obvious her problem isn't womens rights or human rights, all you need is to love Israel and you are the right kind of Muslim or immigrant. Very sad, especially considering there is genocide,. obvious human rights abuses and an arrest warrant out for Netenyahu

@marmaladeandpeanutbutter yes, as your link says she did not mean to say that maternity pay was excessive but rather the level of red tape and regulation facing businesses was excessive.

I agree though that her initial comments were confused at best.

Actually she said not all cultures are equally "valid", whatever that means. If she meant we need new arrivals to buy into British values and we need a cohesive society, then I might agree with her. I'd also agree with her that certain customs and practices such as child marriage, FGM, subjugation of women etc are not acceptable in the UK. But her example of women saying at the door "you need to talk to my husband" is a weak one - I can image my 83 Yr old (white british) stepmother saying that! Plus it's a good line to get rid of the politician at the door

She is of Nigerian descent. I suspect the massacres and slow genocide taking place in Nigeria may colour her thinking?

I agree with her that aspects of some cultures are not compatible with our purported values.

Ok
Again
Can I point out that this is not a religious problem
This is a cultural difference
Note a DIFFERENCE and not a PROBLEM
Some cultures don't like drinking that doesn't mean they will call others a problems
There are differences in cultures
Doesn't make it wrong
It's important to see both sides of the coin
But
As usual
It's needed to paint the Muslims in a bad light

I know lots of people who take the fathers opinion highly and only vote for what he thinks...