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I am a Labour voter, a Labour supporter and I do not regret my vote.

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CurlewKate · 20/09/2024 20:30

However, I think that Starmer has been incredibly stupid and/or very badly advised over this expenses issue. He has done nothing wrong, but his behaviour is not what he led us to believe he would do, and I am incredibly exasperated and disappointed.

In my opinion, he should admit that he made a massive misjudgement, and agree to take no more freebies from now on.

Apart from anything else anything which allows people to say "They are all as bad as each other" (they aren't) is a distraction from the real issues the country faces. He should be laser focussed on repairing the damage caused by 14 years of Tory misrule. Not scrambling around dealing with peripheral stuff.
Starmer-say sorry. Don't do it again. And get back to work.

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iwishihadknownmore · 24/09/2024 09:33

EasternStandard · 24/09/2024 09:32

He won't want to give up the football freebies. It's interesting how it's worked out given he beefed up the football angle to show he was man of the people pre GE - or should that be son of a toolmaker

They have all been defensive and farcical which hasn't helped their cause

Unfortunately for Keir he'll be in the press when he turns up to freebie football hospitality

Should Badenoch give up her freebies?

Seems its ok for her to have them, didn't have down as a Sheran fan...

Nordione1 · 24/09/2024 09:42

iwishihadknownmore · 24/09/2024 09:31

I'm not asking for his support, ;like i said up thread, Tory supporters wont ever criticise their party, whatever they do and you re proving this.

So she had a meeting or party with business leaders, teachers, press mp's etc and you think she should pay for this herself???

yes i heard the interview.

She did nothing wrong at all, however, Rayner shouldn't be taking free accomodation in NY, i don't see any justification in that,

though i suspect that if a good friend of yours offered you free accommodation in their holiday home in Spain/France, you'd not turn it down?

I wouldn't.

I don't think you can assume who I support at the moment.

We will have to agree to disagree about Birthday Party Brigette. She had a "work meeting" (ahem) and therefore work should pay for it as happens in most other work meetings round the world. Although £14,000 for any work meeting seems a little steep.

Re the free accommodation in Spain being offered in a work capacity by someone who potentially wanted a favour in return down the line and I was holding myself up as of the highest integrity and probity, I wouldn't accept it. Particularly for a New Year jolly with someone else from my firm. It's not worth the ruin of someone's professional reputation. I obviously don't know whether you are in a profession to know that but Keir is and will.

Generally, it seems if you're on the left though you might well persuade yourself to accept high value gifts such as this. This is because the left have convinced themselves that they are morally pure and therefore cannot be criticised for anything they do.

BIossomtoes · 24/09/2024 09:44

The fuss about the football is farcical. He’s already paying to see the matches because he’s a season ticket holder, now for security reasons Arsenal has upgraded his seat. There’s a home game every fortnight so the PM turning up for what boils down to a discounted seat will cease to be newsworthy very fast.

BIossomtoes · 24/09/2024 09:44

The fuss about the football is farcical. He’s already paying to see the matches because he’s a season ticket holder, now for security reasons Arsenal has upgraded his seat. There’s a home game every fortnight so the PM turning up for what boils down to a discounted seat will cease to be newsworthy very fast.

Rummly · 24/09/2024 09:48

I wouldn’t confuse disgust with Labour’s hypocrisy for unquestioning support for the Tories.

I suspect a lot of Tories felt like me at the election: the last government was tired, bad tempered and had run out of steam. Since the previous election they had created so many embarrassments for themselves that they were hard to defend. Time for a change, as they say. I would have liked a smaller Labour majority, but I couldn’t put my hand on my heart and say it was a bad result, at least from the point of view of new management.

But I’ve always maintained, and still do, that most of the ‘dirty Tories’ accusations flung at them were bogus. Labour’s always done this: their supposed decency and care for ordinary people, and the Tories’ wickedness, is a complete myth.

What’s so startling about this Labour government is how quickly and brazenly they’ve stuck two fingers up at voters.

TizerorFizz · 24/09/2024 09:51

If he’s going to every home game, he won’t be doing the job of PM very well. It’s just something fun to do but I have no doubt his security wanted the upgrade! Still he must be looking great at these matches and wowing his fellow box-mates!

I think gifts up to a certain value are fine. Maybe £500. £20,000 is too much. Or we could double the salaries and say no freebies.

Boohoo76 · 24/09/2024 10:11

BIossomtoes · 24/09/2024 09:44

The fuss about the football is farcical. He’s already paying to see the matches because he’s a season ticket holder, now for security reasons Arsenal has upgraded his seat. There’s a home game every fortnight so the PM turning up for what boils down to a discounted seat will cease to be newsworthy very fast.

Except that he went to Tottenham last week. A season ticket doesn’t include away matches.

Boohoo76 · 24/09/2024 10:12

TizerorFizz · 24/09/2024 09:51

If he’s going to every home game, he won’t be doing the job of PM very well. It’s just something fun to do but I have no doubt his security wanted the upgrade! Still he must be looking great at these matches and wowing his fellow box-mates!

I think gifts up to a certain value are fine. Maybe £500. £20,000 is too much. Or we could double the salaries and say no freebies.

He’s not just going to home matches. He went to an away match against Tottenham last week!

CanterburyWhales · 24/09/2024 10:27

NoWordForFluffy · 24/09/2024 07:54

There's no mention of recovering any money as a result if the investigation. Surely that's throwing good money after bad. Also, there's already been a court case, IIRC, saying that the crony contracts were legally awarded (somebody correct me if I've misremembered).

Predictable that the board's hardcore Labour supporters are clinging on to something which (to them) sounds promising though!

This is going to be a looooooong 5 years.

Well the last 14 years have been inteeeeeeerminable so it's all relative.

TheNuthatch · 24/09/2024 10:36

Boohoo76 · 24/09/2024 10:11

Except that he went to Tottenham last week. A season ticket doesn’t include away matches.

Yes he did! Also took Lammy and Sue Gray along with him. CF

TizerorFizz · 24/09/2024 10:46

Well they’ve got a lot of time on their hands then! He still appears grabby and hypocritical. What’s new in that where politicians are concerned though? Criticise others when in opposition and then do the same when you get a chance.

Harold Wilson gave a knighthood to the owner of the company that supplied his raincoats - Lord Kagan made his Gannex raincoats. Wilson had a large coterie around him and many were honoured. Better idea - stop honours for political cronies. No honours for doing your job either “Sir” KS.

Araminta1003 · 24/09/2024 10:59

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sudfSPWfr8E

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/sport/2023/08/football-love-keir-starmer

“Yet something about the video doesn’t work. First and foremost, there is the dubious notion that a young Keir was too poor to attend Arsenal games. Starmer would have come of age in a time in which attending football was dangerous, violent and forbidding, certainly, but hardly expensive, with ticket prices only reaching £3 around 1980. That was the era of bunking turnstiles and invading opposition ends, which feels like a much greater barrier for a studious lad from Oxted to contend with.
Then there is the non-committal, non-specific language he uses: “adult”, “grass”, “London”, “smell”, “noise”. To the uninitiated, this probably all seems a fine way to describe the rituals of a game, but when true football fans talk about attending matches, they tend to use specifics: the station you arrive at, the road you walk down, the pub you go to before, the pub you go to after, and the stand (or end, if you really know the lingo) you sit in.”

(…)

“Since then, football has become a fascinating hurdle for politicians. Many of them are probably genuine fans of the game, yet it appears to be a concept you can’t embrace too much. It’s something that you must understand, but not pontificate on. You need to have a team, but you can’t be too tribal about it. Ironically, to win votes off football fans, you need to be the kind of safe, middle-class part-timer that the terraces claim to despise. You need to be, in the immortal words of Roy Keane, a “prawn sandwich”.
However, it’s important to note that the longest-serving prime minister in post-war British history, Margaret Thatcher, had nothing but disdain for the game and championed all manner of draconian anti-hooligan measures (while simultaneously lighting the touchpaper for aspirational away-day violence). Johnson’s attempts to connect with fans were half-hearted at best.
Maybe when you have enough tub-thumping, enough flag-waving in your politics, you don’t need football at all. Simply sing the national anthem, wish Harry Kane or the Lionesses good luck and stick to rugby otherwise. But for the technocrats, academics and Islingtonites in our political class, football is still the best way to tap into normality (as long as you don’t tap too hard).”

TizerorFizz · 24/09/2024 13:11

Labour and rugby? All those privately educated players? A big no no. It has to be football even if you are barely interested. Sir K could have gone to Oxford United with ordinary folk! Or even Leeds. It was pretty safe in the mid 80s. We managed it!

Freysimo · 25/09/2024 09:32

Rummly · 24/09/2024 09:48

I wouldn’t confuse disgust with Labour’s hypocrisy for unquestioning support for the Tories.

I suspect a lot of Tories felt like me at the election: the last government was tired, bad tempered and had run out of steam. Since the previous election they had created so many embarrassments for themselves that they were hard to defend. Time for a change, as they say. I would have liked a smaller Labour majority, but I couldn’t put my hand on my heart and say it was a bad result, at least from the point of view of new management.

But I’ve always maintained, and still do, that most of the ‘dirty Tories’ accusations flung at them were bogus. Labour’s always done this: their supposed decency and care for ordinary people, and the Tories’ wickedness, is a complete myth.

What’s so startling about this Labour government is how quickly and brazenly they’ve stuck two fingers up at voters.

Totally agree with this. I can't believe they've cocked up so soon. They must have known for the past couple of years there was a good chance they'd be the next government. It looks like they were either not prepared at all or totally inept.

Nordione1 · 25/09/2024 10:33

Telegraph reports that Keir accepted £20,000 donation so his son could revise for his GCSEs in peace in an £18 million penthouse in Covent Garden. This is strange. I thought money buying an unfair advantage in education was against "equality" and "levelling the playing field". This government gets more and more confusing.

nearlylovemyusername · 25/09/2024 10:49

Just wonder - are we seeing demise of Free Gear Keir? has this always been the plan for sort of centrist Labour to get into power and then to be replaced by Momentum group?

Rummly · 25/09/2024 11:08

Nordione1 · 25/09/2024 10:33

Telegraph reports that Keir accepted £20,000 donation so his son could revise for his GCSEs in peace in an £18 million penthouse in Covent Garden. This is strange. I thought money buying an unfair advantage in education was against "equality" and "levelling the playing field". This government gets more and more confusing.

Yes, that’s a very difficult one to justify. A quiet place to revise? Seriously?

And if use of a Covent Garden penthouse is worth £20,000, why is Angela Rayner’s stay in a Manhattan penthouse only worth £250?

iwishihadknownmore · 25/09/2024 11:13

Nordione1 · 24/09/2024 09:42

I don't think you can assume who I support at the moment.

We will have to agree to disagree about Birthday Party Brigette. She had a "work meeting" (ahem) and therefore work should pay for it as happens in most other work meetings round the world. Although £14,000 for any work meeting seems a little steep.

Re the free accommodation in Spain being offered in a work capacity by someone who potentially wanted a favour in return down the line and I was holding myself up as of the highest integrity and probity, I wouldn't accept it. Particularly for a New Year jolly with someone else from my firm. It's not worth the ruin of someone's professional reputation. I obviously don't know whether you are in a profession to know that but Keir is and will.

Generally, it seems if you're on the left though you might well persuade yourself to accept high value gifts such as this. This is because the left have convinced themselves that they are morally pure and therefore cannot be criticised for anything they do.

You ve added in quite a bit there that i never mentioned or implied, such as free holiday accommodation in a work capacity! or that there would be a "favour"
You re now just making things up, as there is absolutely no evidence any favours have been or will be asked, thats corruption.

I also said Rayners stay in NY was wrong, even if within the rules.

Those on the right are up in arms about Labours declared and within the rules declarations, yet when the Tories were involved in worse, you all either defended them or kept quiet, 100s of millions of tax payer money moved into the pockets of their friends and businesses..... silence is deafening but Kier had a suit!!!

Thats the only hypocrisy here.

iwishihadknownmore · 25/09/2024 11:35

OECD upgrade UK growth, to 2nd highest in G7.

As the problems in housing, NHS & £21bn black hole is all down to Labour, i assume the great news on growth is also down to the new Labour Govt?

or doesn't it work that way? lol!

Rummly · 25/09/2024 11:42

iwishihadknownmore · 25/09/2024 11:35

OECD upgrade UK growth, to 2nd highest in G7.

As the problems in housing, NHS & £21bn black hole is all down to Labour, i assume the great news on growth is also down to the new Labour Govt?

or doesn't it work that way? lol!

Um, I think you’ve misunderstood. There was no black hole. And there was no ‘emergency’ about a run on the pound that supposedly forced Labour into its welfare cut for OAPs.

The OECD figures suggest the economy was clearly on the up when Labour took over. So that’s all the more reason to conclude that the Labour government’s been lying its head off.

Lol!

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 11:44

Rummly · 25/09/2024 11:42

Um, I think you’ve misunderstood. There was no black hole. And there was no ‘emergency’ about a run on the pound that supposedly forced Labour into its welfare cut for OAPs.

The OECD figures suggest the economy was clearly on the up when Labour took over. So that’s all the more reason to conclude that the Labour government’s been lying its head off.

Lol!

Yep the first half was good. Then flatlined mid year. Might be a blip...

And with you on your last word there mirroring posts

Barbadossunset · 25/09/2024 11:45

nearlylovemyusername · Today 10:49
Just wonder - are we seeing demise of Free Gear Keir? has this always been the plan for sort of centrist Labour to get into power and then to be replaced by Momentum group

I wouldn’t be surprised.

Araminta1003 · 25/09/2024 11:46

I was happy to hear Sir Keir being a bit more positive at the Conference, and cracking a few deliberate and inadvertent jokes! We need confidence and positivity - sentiment and growth and spending all go hand in hand.

Rummly · 25/09/2024 11:48

Araminta1003 · 25/09/2024 11:46

I was happy to hear Sir Keir being a bit more positive at the Conference, and cracking a few deliberate and inadvertent jokes! We need confidence and positivity - sentiment and growth and spending all go hand in hand.

Yeah, his “release the sausages” was a banger.

Nordione1 · 25/09/2024 12:08

iwishihadknownmore · 25/09/2024 11:13

You ve added in quite a bit there that i never mentioned or implied, such as free holiday accommodation in a work capacity! or that there would be a "favour"
You re now just making things up, as there is absolutely no evidence any favours have been or will be asked, thats corruption.

I also said Rayners stay in NY was wrong, even if within the rules.

Those on the right are up in arms about Labours declared and within the rules declarations, yet when the Tories were involved in worse, you all either defended them or kept quiet, 100s of millions of tax payer money moved into the pockets of their friends and businesses..... silence is deafening but Kier had a suit!!!

Thats the only hypocrisy here.

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I don't really understand much of your post.

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