Suella: no thank you!

[mybeesarealive]

She seems pleased as punch by the GE result. Might alienate her MP colleagues (if indeed they can be alienated further from her than they already are). Does she not realise that there is zero general appetite for her divisive, aggressive approach to politics, or that Farage would eat her chickens if she lets him in the hen house. Can't see her winning a leadership contest because it would be the beginning and end of the Tory campaign in 2029. Interested to know what others think?

What do you call 'far right' and 'centre', though? Where would you put Margeret Thatcher on that graph? I don't think the Tories will ever be far right. Even Reform are not far right. It's an over-used and mis-used descriptor.

I agree. The far right are actually gaining traction in Europe and it's very concerning. I would however put Braverman on that trajectory given some of her views. I also wonder what chaos would ensue if Reform were given free reign. I believe they're being very circumspect.

No thank you from me, even though I want the Tories to never be in government ever again.

Aren’t they where Britain and America were with Brexit and Teumo a few years ago?

We seem to have gone beyond that here?

If that's the case, she only very barely agreed. That speech was obviously the start of a leadership campaign.

Teumo? Do you mean Trump? Are we at the point of caging immigrants, banning abortion and a far right insurrection? In my opinion we could be with someone like Farage at the helm . Braverman actually frightens me. I don't want to find out where she'd take the country.

Braverman actually frightens me. I don't want to find out where she'd take the country.

Me too. I feel the same about Badenoch.

I'm in Fareham, I don't, although two friends do.

There's no immigration problem in Fareham or most of the towns on the south coast. The Tories on the New Forest side are old school, with labour and lib dems surrounding. I just don't understand what her attraction is.

I think Tom Tugendhat is the best of a frankly lacklustre bunch
Though he did support Lettuce Liz in her leadership bid ….🥴.

I agree.

@Crucible 😄😄

I'd be happy with SB or KB leading the party.😇

😂😂😂🙊

I'm not sure Tugger McTugTug has broad appeal. He's a little too pleased with himself.

It rather depends on why you think the Tories lost. I suspect in most people's minds it wasn't about policies but a failure to implement them and a lack of party discipline.

The Boris-cide was followed by a lengthy leadership election that looked incredibly indulgent when the country needed a strong head during the Ukraine war and the Covid recovery. Unfortunately it gave us 49 days of Liz Truss and the Blackpool conference where the Tories faced a choice between immediate annihilation or deferred annihilation. And Rishi duly delivered the latter.

None of which was really about policy.

Agreed. But they will probably decide it was because they weren't far enough to the right, and Suella is the one to sort that.

I share your view @mybeesarealive . I don't understand why
Cruella seems to think far right is the way to go to win an election. Obviously, there's some appetite, hence the number of Reform votes, but I don't think it's most people. It's when the parties are positioned more centrally that they usually win ...

Sunaks downfall was more likely due to alienating 3 million freelancers and self employed when he excluded them from covid support schemes, many of who would have been traditional Tory supporters.

Ditto.

From what we've seen recently the Tories don't have anyone of a calibre capable of keeping Starmer on his toes.

They do have some grade A shit-stirrers though, Braverman chief among them. A person who used social media to try to bounce the police into unlawfully preventing a protest when she was the Home Secretary.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-67364745.amp

People who try to undermine the rule of law shouldn't be anywhere near power regardless of their politics.

Sorry, it was a newspaper article, but that makes it worse, if anything.

Policies aren't worth the paper their written on if you don't deliver. The Tory government were full of policies they were just too lazy and shit to deliver any of them blaming everyone else along the way.

The Tories are a directionless mess. They have no idea who they are or what they stand for. I doubt their next leader will improve that.

Guardian says she's losing support already. Might be the shortest leadership bid in history. She's a problem for them though because she cannot tow a line or think beyond her personal ambition. She'll have to be removed by the next leader somehow.

I read that too, good news if true.

I suspect that at some point she’ll do or say something so appalling that the next leader will be able to take the opportunity to kick her out of the party. She’ll be shocking in opposition and with the party reduced to a rump one MP more or less is insignificant. Obviously she’ll then join Reform.