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77% of the new Cabinet attended state schools - that's 22 Cabinet secretaries

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Warmfire · 06/07/2024 20:13

and no posh tw*ts like Jacob Rees Mogg

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cardibach · 18/07/2024 11:50

Berryberries · 18/07/2024 09:03

Stop being pedantic. You know I mean his cabinet.

Still local constituency MPs. How do you think they get to be in parliament to be chosen for cabinet?

cardibach · 18/07/2024 11:51

Tryingtokeepgoing · 18/07/2024 08:02

Sit Keir Starmer went to a grammar school that became independent in his last few years, and he remained there by dint of transitionary rules and a scholarship. So technically he did. And having benefited in the best possible way from a selective and free education as the son of a tool maker (a well paid and technically skilled job, living in leafy Surrey) by becoming a knighted barrister who’s now PM, he would like to make sure that this route, both free and paid for, is denied to others. No wonder he’s got rid of the ‘Levelling Up’ part of government departments. Pull up the ladder jack I’m alright would be more apt ;)

They haven’t abandoned levelling up as a concept, just the stupid name. Tories had the name but didn’t do it. Labour have abandoned the name but will adopt policies which might actually do it. Which would you prefer?

RobinStrike · 18/07/2024 12:10

@Tryingtokeepgoing your argument assumes that only grammars and independent schools offer a quality education. The whole purpose of Starmer's policies, including the VAT that can be used to benefit state schools, is to ensure everyone has improved education and life opportunities. Why do you think you have to have gone to a grammar to achieve success in your chosen field? There are thousands of successful Brits in all walks of life who can prove you wrong.

Berryberries · 18/07/2024 12:15

RobinStrike · 18/07/2024 11:13

@Berryberries

Shabana Mahmoud
Failed 11+ in Birmingham went to Small Heath school and then KE Camp Hill I assume for sixth form
Lisa Nandy Parrs Wood High School
Lucy Powell Parrs Wood High School
Peter Kyle Feltham Comprehensive
Steve Reed. Verulam School
Rachel Reeves Cator Park Comprehensive School for Girls

Education background of Starmer’s cabinet is most representative ever of UK society | The Independent

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-cabinet-education-private-school-parliament-b2575257.html

The Independent article say 92% attended comprehensive school. I researched a few Cabinet members but got bored and searched for an article on the number at comprehensive schools instead.

Interesting! I wonder if their children go/went to comp schools too. Hopefully they focus on investing in comp schools and teacher retention.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 18/07/2024 13:07

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 08:15

@Tryingtokeepgoing "Sit Keir Starmer went to a grammar school that became independent in his last few years, and he remained there by dint of transitionary rules and a scholarship. So technically he did. "

Equally, technically he didn't. Shrodinger's Prime Minister.

Incidentally, insisting on calling him "Sir" is an obvious dog whistle that has become tedious.

The school he attended was an independent school at the time he was there. So it's factually incorrect to say he didn't attend an independent school. The backstory of how it moved from being a selective grammar school to an independent one is relevant in the context of an ideology of eliminating selective schools altogether.

BTW, I'm sorry if the correct use of titles irks you. I think that Baroness Smith and Sir Alan Campbell are also usually referred to by their titles aren't they? And people are don't take offence at that. Any of them can renounce the titles if they wish.

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 13:16

@Tryingtokeepgoing "The school he attended was an independent school at the time he was there."

But not when he started there. And his parents did not pay. So. Disingenuous to refer to him as having been privately educated. Disingenuous to refer to him as Sir.

RobinStrike · 18/07/2024 13:29

@Tryingtokeepgoing why does the definition of Starmer's school matter in the scheme of things. See my other comments below.

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 13:53

@RobinStrike "why does the definition of Starmer's school matter in the scheme of things."
I agree. The attempts at "gotchas" about Starmer's background are deeply tedious. His father had his own factory. Not true. They own lots of land. Not true. And so on and so on.

cupcaske123 · 18/07/2024 14:52

Tryingtokeepgoing · 18/07/2024 13:07

The school he attended was an independent school at the time he was there. So it's factually incorrect to say he didn't attend an independent school. The backstory of how it moved from being a selective grammar school to an independent one is relevant in the context of an ideology of eliminating selective schools altogether.

BTW, I'm sorry if the correct use of titles irks you. I think that Baroness Smith and Sir Alan Campbell are also usually referred to by their titles aren't they? And people are don't take offence at that. Any of them can renounce the titles if they wish.

It was a state run grammer until sixth form. He didn't initially attend an independent.

upinaballoon · 19/07/2024 20:44

Where do/did Diane Abbott's children go to school?

cardibach · 19/07/2024 20:53

Is she in cabinet?

RobinStrike · 19/07/2024 22:01

@upinaballoon Abbott is not in the Cabinet, and at one point was not even going to be a Labour MP. She is definitely another generation.
However you are right her son went to independent school. Much good it did him. He has had a string of arrests and convictions, and I suspect has mental health problems. But I don't understand what relevance this has?

upinaballoon · 20/07/2024 23:07

RobinStrike · 19/07/2024 22:01

@upinaballoon Abbott is not in the Cabinet, and at one point was not even going to be a Labour MP. She is definitely another generation.
However you are right her son went to independent school. Much good it did him. He has had a string of arrests and convictions, and I suspect has mental health problems. But I don't understand what relevance this has?

It's my mistake that I was thinking about Labour MPs rather than Cabinet members. No, she isn't in the Cabinet now. The relevance is that someone up-thread asked where they sent their children.

upinaballoon · 20/07/2024 23:09

Warmfire · 06/07/2024 20:13

and no posh tw*ts like Jacob Rees Mogg

In time some of them may turn out to be un-posh state-school-educated twats.

upinaballoon · 21/07/2024 12:00

If 77% of the current Cabinet attended state schools, does that mean that they went only to state schools, with no mixing of a bit of state and a bit of private?

What about the other 23%? Did they go entirely to private schools? Obviously Keir Starmer is one of the 'mixtures'. Beside him, which individuals make up this 23%?

Do some people automatically decide that anyone who went to a public school, which is, of course, a private school, must be a twat?

cardibach · 21/07/2024 12:46

upinaballoon · 21/07/2024 12:00

If 77% of the current Cabinet attended state schools, does that mean that they went only to state schools, with no mixing of a bit of state and a bit of private?

What about the other 23%? Did they go entirely to private schools? Obviously Keir Starmer is one of the 'mixtures'. Beside him, which individuals make up this 23%?

Do some people automatically decide that anyone who went to a public school, which is, of course, a private school, must be a twat?

It’s not about whether they are twats or not, it’s about whether it’s representative of the country. It still isn’t, as about 7% go private, but it’s a damn sight closer than any other cabinet. It’s important that those leading us have some understanding of how the people they represent live.

upinaballoon · 21/07/2024 15:55

cardibach · 21/07/2024 12:46

It’s not about whether they are twats or not, it’s about whether it’s representative of the country. It still isn’t, as about 7% go private, but it’s a damn sight closer than any other cabinet. It’s important that those leading us have some understanding of how the people they represent live.

OP could have made that point in the first post, instead of gleefully enjoying himself/herself by calling Jacob Rees-Mogg a twat.

Appealing to the lowest common denominator.

upinaballoon · 21/07/2024 15:57

Mmmm, is it possible in this life for anyone to understand anyone else's life unless one has walked in that person's shoes and is this a philosophical question?

cardibach · 21/07/2024 18:20

upinaballoon · 21/07/2024 15:55

OP could have made that point in the first post, instead of gleefully enjoying himself/herself by calling Jacob Rees-Mogg a twat.

Appealing to the lowest common denominator.

JRM is a twat though. And would have been at a bog standard comp or if home schooled.

cardibach · 21/07/2024 18:21

upinaballoon · 21/07/2024 15:57

Mmmm, is it possible in this life for anyone to understand anyone else's life unless one has walked in that person's shoes and is this a philosophical question?

It’s possible to have a better idea or a worse one about what it’s like.

MellersSmellers · 24/07/2024 21:20

It's not so much an over representation of public school educated politicians, it's the over representation of one particular public school - Eton - that has been a problem. Just look at Camerons and Johnsons cabinets. And, in addition, people (mainly men) who have followed similar career paths and with no experience outside of politics. We need diversity of experience and thought to devise and implement solutions that work for the majority. And Labours new cabinet looks much better than Sunaks in that regard.

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