Reform are getting a shitload of voters

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I have not voted
Reform and live in a safe tory seat But I voted
Lib dem tactical vote

I said ages Ago on here the reform would do really well and was shouted down.

Same as brexit, no one will admit voting for reform but
They still do it in droves it seems.

I'm Willing to bet they
Might win an election in four years at this rate!!

Scary
Times

The Gaza situation isn't about religion. Starmmar was too slow to respond to that one. My BIL who is white and middle aged ( classic gammon if you will) has bycotted Isreali goods for years. The Palastinain situation is complex and nuanced.

We have an ageing population and low birth rate. Increasing immigration is inevitable. All Brexit did was reduce immigration from closer European countries and increase immigration from countries further away. All it meant is more migrants from countries further away who are less likely to return to their home country once they become older. Elderly and sick people need people to take care of them and aren't working themselves. Nigel Farage and Reform don't offer any solutions to the problems of an ageing population. All they do is simply benefit from people's frustration at stagnant wages and high cost of living and fear of people of different cultures coming over.

@Neurodiversitydoctor And it was announced that Istreal confiscated another 5 square miles of West Bank land yesterday.

Nige won’t cope well with life at Westminster. He may go in all guns blazing, but give it a few months and he’ll get bored with the day-to-day routine and will start turning up less and less.

They had a mock election at my sons school (secondary) yesterday. Having read all the policies and background for each party, Reform won by a landslide.

That's terrifying. In my DC's school they did the same and Greens won.

I think the implication is more that Reform are a bunch of racists to be fair. Also, Clacton isn't in the north, so bang goes your theory.

That is equally terrifying

Given the Labour majority, he might be right to carry out his politics outside Parliament where he may have a bigger impact.

This. Tories never delivered what many of their voters wanted. Can only serve up empty promises for so long …

No it doesn't. It's got nothing to do with race and more to do with numbers.

We have an ageing population and low birth rate. Increasing immigration is inevitable

it isn’t actually. Japan and China do better than the UK and do not accept immigrants. They are further along the demographic ‘disaster’ but it’s fine actually,

All Brexit did was reduce immigration from closer European countries and increase immigration from countries further away

That was probably the first time immigration was put to a direct vote: you can’t fault people for taking the only option ever offered to them. If immigration was ever put to a referendum, you know how the result would go … that’s why they don’t do this

Don't be too sure that those school mock elections voters were only lured by Farage's 'anti-woke' stance. Whilst it's true that this next generation IS definitely less inclined to follow the TWAW brigade, they are also - like it or not - voting with immigration in mind.

Farage speaks in TikTok sized sound bites that work for that generation

"This is a small country and unfortunately, we just can't sustain the amount of immigration"

"Of course the NHS is breaking, there are too many people trying to access it"

"We cannot afford to build homes quickly enough to support British people because there is too much demand"

"We should be proud of our values and immigrants don't want to integrate so they are now being eroded which is a terrible shame"

All sounds 'logical' to a fourteen year old

They don't read manifestos, they watch 20 quick videos on social media and make their minds up. He knows what he is doing.

Yeah, you're probably right and it's just a coincidence that the 4 independent MPs have been voted in in constituencys where there is a large Muslim vote 🙄

Islam is a massive world religion I think what you mean to say is that there are large Bangladeshi , Pakistani and Palestinian communities in those constituencies. Not so sure about Islington North.....I would suggest that if you have relatives in Gaza you might be more invested in the major party's stance on this. Just like I am more likely to vote on the health agenda- there is nothing surprising or wrong with that.

I wonder if it's dawned on Nigel that as an MP he'll have to declare all financial interests?

Wow! What a sacrifice to boycott Israeli goods! How has he managed to survive?

Also surely more independent MPs is a good thing ?

What do you mean by that ? I am just saying the Palestine issue is long standing and complex and not an inclusively " Muslim" issue. Whatever the fuck that means anyway.

and those voters in Bradford and Leicester have a point , just like those not voting labour because of their stance of women's rights.

My mother wouldn't buy South African fruit in the 80's. I won't buy out of season vegetables grown under glass in Kenya while there are Keynans without enough to eat. Most educated peoples' consumer habits are to some extent informed by their ethics.

Sorry exclusivly Muslim.

Higher VAT on luxury goods.
Restrict relief on pension contribution (80% tax relief is too high).
Taper tax breaks for wealthy (no ISA allowance, VCT, etc).
increase CGT rates.
Tax undistributed corporate profits at source (was the case until 1989).
New council tax (possibly a co-efficient of income for homes > £2.5m).

There are many ways. Whether or not they create net economic gains is the big question!

Of course religion is a huge factor in Israel/Gaza/West Bank and very particularly Jerusalem. You cannot separate the conflict from religion.

I guess the question is who is the wealthy? A lot of people think its people that earn more than them regardless of what they earn in the first place! Starmer stated that a working person was someone who couldnt write a cheque if an unexpected bill came in? That is a very low bar although of course there are people who have no savings and are on NMW. Is that who is classing as Working Person?

Just watching the coverage, Rishi had a mention of multiculturalism in his farewell speech and just look at the rainbow of faces greeting Kier as he enters Downing Street. Today saying farewell to a Hindi prime minister and welcoming a working class lad with a Jewish wife I am proud of our multiculturalism. For me it is what makes this nation great.