Reform are getting a shitload of voters

[HeBeaverandSheBeaver]

I have not voted
Reform and live in a safe tory seat But I voted
Lib dem tactical vote

I said ages Ago on here the reform would do really well and was shouted down.

Same as brexit, no one will admit voting for reform but
They still do it in droves it seems.

I'm Willing to bet they
Might win an election in four years at this rate!!

Scary
Times

Why do they love these creatures in Sunderland?

Really ? and your evidence for this is ?
My Dad was a teenager in the '50s there was a huge amount of casual violence much more than today. Is violence not violence if it is enacted on women and children behind closed doors ? I 'd rather be a woman in 2024 thanks.

Anyone with half a brain cell could see he was a front to win the election- which he didn’t do. The Tories lost. Now it’s not a fight with the Tories Labour will soon lose popular support, this will be an excuse for a vote of no confidence- he will be gone within the year

But after the hump of the Boomers, the birth rate is declining rapidly, and we will need immigrants to allow our society functioning properly.

Take Heathrow airport now: they are short of staff on the ground, in the catering outlets, in security, in customs, in airborne staff, etc etc. It literally cannot function properly.

It is racist. Its about skin colour.
Ukrainians were deemed acceptable.

Well thanks to Labour winning you soon won’t be able to define what a woman is without it being a hate crime. I’ll take my chances in the 1950s

What is it that draws you to them? Which of their policies do you like?

Intergration doesn't work ? What do you mean ? There are 37 first languages spoken in the hospital I manage, we seem to get along fine, we enjoy each others' cultural heritage ( food religious beliefs etc). Are you telling me that is somehow a bad thing ? As I said to my Italian neighbour I don't want to live in a homogeneous society where everyone speaks the same language, pratices the same religion in the same way and eats the same food. It would massively impoverish my life.

He’s actually maintained discipline within the party extremely well since the last divisive catastrophic election. It’s been quite a turn around that’s for sure.

I think you are mistaking a mild-manner and prudence for weakness but they are very different things.

Reform didn't get the number of seats predicted but that for a shocking amount of votes overall (if I'm reading the results right). Over 4M, more than twice as many as the Greens and also more than the Lib Dems.
I was pro Labour and voted thus so am pleased with the result, but the overall picture is concerning.

Because they were fleeing a war that was on our doorstep. We needed to support the fight against a credible threat to Europe snd this was one of the ways in which we could without escalating the matter.

Its this lack of understanding and sacrificing common sense at the altar of pseudo liberalism which shows exactly why Reform are popular in standing up to this nonsense

There were at least 6 languages spoken in my inner London yr 7 class 36 years ago. Multiculturalism has a very long history. What about it do you think isn't working ?

I always hear about voting on immigration matters is because of how people are worried about how immigration is affecting them in their areas - my lived experience in cities with higher multicultural demographics and in ex pit villages with very low multicultural demographics is that it is the people in the areas without many immigrants that are most concerned and talk more about reform type policies, so it’s at least partly irrational really, but imo probably driven more by fear of unknown, expedient but incorrect blame on immigration from media/politicians in sound bites and poorer living circumstances. There isn’t as much correlation between living in high immigrant population areas and wanting it to stop as is suggested. It’s just a handy tool for reform/extreme right.

I heard the deputy of Reform speak, he actually sounded ok.

But. They need to be a party. Roots. Not just personalities. Have a proper structure.
How many councillors do they have?
Is it all about Farage?
There were voices saying that they will rip themselves apart. Far right against middle... Just like UKIP.

In my constituency, they are the reason the conservatives are out.

I welcome other voices.
More choice is needed. But it has to be proper parties.

I'd never vote for them.

An odd thing to think when he's clearly done just that and (rightly or wrongly) there are no real factions left in the Labour parliamentary party.

Let's split this ' a shit load'

Intergration doesn't work ? What do you mean ? There are 37 first languages spoken in the hospital I manage, we seem to get along fine, we enjoy each others' cultural heritage ( food religious beliefs etc). Are you telling me that is somehow a bad thing ? As I said to my Italian neighbour I don't want to live in a homogeneous society where everyone speaks the same language, pratices the same religion in the same way and eats the same food. It would massively impoverish my life.

This is a very middle-class take on multiculturalism/immigration. There are areas where people are having a very different experience though. Large numbers of new immigrants or certain existing communities who don't integrate. Huge pressure on social housing. Migrant hotels in the middle of their communities.

They're not stupid, or racist, to dislike their experiences.

It works in artificial environments like work places where there is a culture of the work place which binds each person.

Getting a long with a single neighbour has nothing to do with integration.

I’m talking about areas where the establish culture is being eroded. Massive influxes of people who don’t use the local shops causing them to close who swop housing between members of their community to get access to schools. Who don’t partake in community events so they stop happening. Who demand schools adhere to their religion. Kids who don’t mix at school. It causes massive divisions.

The fact you’re using speaking to your Italian neighbour as a sign of integration shows you don’t have a clue sbout what it’s like to live in a community with extremely high levels of immigration. It’s not just in the first generation either. People in these communities are fed up to the back teeth of being told by idiots who have no idea, how lovely it is for everyone to mix when they see their community and traditions being eroded, when their kids are being forced out of local schools. When the teachers aren’t teaching their kids because they are having to cope with 6 different languages. When half the kids in your child’s class don’t speak English and neither do the parents and have little interest in learning. Whole class parties don’t happen because only kids from the relevant community are invited. Where PE is curtailed for weeks because of fasting.

So do bigger off with your tales of multiculturalism working because your European neighbour dropped round a lasagna.

Society works because people have shared values, language and culture- as soon as these things disappear to a noticeable society starts to disintegrate.

The electorate has not swung to the right.
Add up the 4 main centre-left party votes (Labour + Lib-Dem + Green + SNP) and the ratio with the centre-right party votes (Tories + Reform) is about 60/40.

And yes, The Lib-Dem manifesto is well to to the left of Labour's.

Ukraine is not on our doorstep. I dare say if there was war in Sweden, this sad little country would be opening its doors to Swedish people. Not brown immigrants obviously.

Next time you or your family are ill and are treated by an immigrant, think on.

Who demand schools adhere to their religion

Where is this happening?

For those saying Labour only got 34% - the thing is they deliberately targeted those centrist/right leaning seats at the expense of totting up huge votes in safe seats.

Had Starmer presented as more left wing then they probably would have got a few more % points - but quite possibly earned a couple of dozen fewer seats as the Tories would have hung onto a lot more. That’s FPTP for you.

I personally wish Starmer was more left wing, but from a “let’s make absolutely sure we win this election outright” perspective, what he did was the right strategy. The game is FPTP, and Starmer won a massive landslide with FPTP.

This falling birth rate 'problem' it is a false worry. We would have to change massively before we face the same problem that Japan has now. Vastly different numbers.
We need to reduce migration of low paid people who bring down wage levels for our own people.

Migrant hotels in the middle of their communities

SERCO makes billions and billions from this stupid half baked idea.

I haven't read the full thread so someone else may have said this.
There are a lot of young people voting reform.
People who haven't got pre-existing entrenched political allegiances and have just taken them at face value.

Also areas of very high deprivation such as coastal towns (despite having very low levels of immigrants). labour has failed to reach these people.