Reform are getting a shitload of voters

[HeBeaverandSheBeaver]

I have not voted
Reform and live in a safe tory seat But I voted
Lib dem tactical vote

I said ages Ago on here the reform would do really well and was shouted down.

Same as brexit, no one will admit voting for reform but
They still do it in droves it seems.

I'm Willing to bet they
Might win an election in four years at this rate!!

Scary
Times

Yep. He will be replaced as leader. Labour didn’t win because of Starmer, they won because the conservatives lost. Bet you the vast majority of people who voted labour couldn’t name a single policy (let’s face it Starmer struggled). It wasn’t a vote for Labour it was a vote against the Tories.

You’re naive, to say the least if you don’t understand the people lurking waiting for a 5 year term to make a leadership bid.

But they got more votes than the greens.

Not the case for my teens or their friends. All voted reform yesterday, all read the manifesto's and all made their own decisions.

Hand power to a tiny minority party made up of individuals no one actually voted for? Yeah, that worked well in Scotland.

Which goes to show that climate change is not the massive topic people bleat on about when it comes to the crunch.

Look to Europe.

What a load of rubbish…

This - no one learned a thing from Brexit it seems.

What? Working class men have never particularly had power or respect. They don’t expect to be handed anything, either, as they are…you know…working.

Don't be too sure.

Young people's votes were very much a factor in the success of right wing and far right parties in the European Parliament elections.

And read the thread on here about school mock elections. Not all those schoolkids were voting Reform to wind up the teachers. They'll be voting at 18 - or 16 if Labour change the voting age as they've said they would.

In 4 years you will have the same number of young people of voting age. The current young people will have grown up.

This thread is showing exactly why people have voted Reform - there's a nasty implication of stupid, working class, northern idiots. Don't worry, the sensible southerners will show them how they should have voted

This - no one learned a thing from Brexit it seems

Absolute this.

I detest Reform with a passion but you will never get people onside by feeling them that they're stupid, ignorant, or God forbid, Northern

I would suggest that after 8 attempts to become an MP he isn't one for giving up. I do believe there is a plan here, it was obvious the tory party would be decimated - he is now going to pick through the pieces of this and at the next election will have reformed his own party. So instead of having 350 reform candidates who are wet behind the ears, he will have joined the tory far right with reform and go back with ex tory candidates to win more seats.

Its incredibly worrying but Le Pen is has won finally and Europe is looking to the right as parties to lead them

Zactly.

And the top 50% of Income Tax payers were liable for 90.5% of total Income Tax in 2019 to 2020, or £171 billion out of a total £189 billion, indicating the already progressive nature of the Income Tax system

Imagine being a Reform supporter .. a life full of negativity and hate -like walking round with a black cloud over your head ..

Reform have had 100x the publicity that the Green Party have had, BBC have had NF on air 99% more than the Green Party leader - who most people wouldn't even be able to name without googling

If people are worried the youth of today are going to vote reform tomorrow have you ever discussed politics with them? I sure have my son is 15 I explained to him as a white male he automatically has privilege the party he needs to vote for is one who doesn't make anyone less than they should be while simultaneously protecting his own space in the world

Reform saying things like "autistics are vegetables" should automatically disqualify them from his vote

the population of those areas will have more to do with tax being paid, there is a far great population in the SE than in the other two areas put together

Barry Gardiner has addressed this issue just now on Ch 4.

He quite rightly said that it’s a disgrace that companies are allowed to pay wages so low that working families have to rely on food banks.

If you completely erode opportunity and basic social equality, of course disaffected voters are ripe for picking by Reform.

If Keir actually can “restore the UK to the service of working party” to use words from his acceptance speech, and take concrete action to level up, in a very difficult economic environment, then Reform will lose supporters. It’s a difficult challenge ahead for Labour though but I have faith they can make solid improvements in important areas like child poverty, homelessness, childcare costs etc.

They had a mock election at my sons school (secondary) yesterday. Having read all the policies and background for each party, Reform won by a landslide.

Politico’s coverage (usually centre) is asking some very interesting questions this morning https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-election-victory-weaker-than-you-think-keir-starmer-nigel-farage/

There’s already quite a few candidates at 7/1 for the new Labour leader.so I’m guessing the bookies don’t think change is far away if they are already seeing favourites emerge. That’s what to watch.I would say as soon as we have candidates with better odds than 5/1 we’ll see a leadership challenge.

Have not read the full thread.

I am not worried about Farage. His track record is not about building anything, only about destruction. Reform votes are merely protest votes (even if some of those voters do not realise it). There is no 'building material' within Reform (jokingly perhaps Tice knows how to construct a house, but that's it). The kind of power Farage yields can only go so far. What will be interesting is how the Conservative Party reshapes itself over the next five years. There will be turmoil and struggles within the Conservatives and between them and Reform there will be war. Farage may yet meet his true adversary.

Meanwhile, Starmer will quietly get on with housing, redistributing wealth, infrastructure investment, investment in jobs and training while balancing a fine line on the economy. It is not an easy baton, but he just needs to hold it steady. Challenges will come on defence spending (potentially the largest Achilles Heel) and foreign policy. But I suspect we will hear more about the Conservative rebuild than we will about Labour's progress.

I think these figures are right at this point…

labour got 34% of the total vote
reform got 14% of the total vote

Starmer may have a massive majority in parliament, but you can’t really say he has full support of the British people. He better deliver on his ‘change’ - whatever that means.

I think farage is correct when he says that Labour will be more of the same, but slightly worse. Tax rises won’t go down well because he has no plan to actually match that with public service improvements. Throwing money at it won’t improve the NHS for example.

Reform’s vote share will be higher than the Lib Dems and the latter have 72 seats to 4.

that should piss everyone off because whatever else it might be, it is not democracy. Sunlight bleaches, PR would have had them in the limelight for the batshit nutters they are. But all we have is Farage, Tice, Anderson + 1 other agitating on the benches.

The bigger picture is not good.

on a separate note, commiserations to the Independent lady who almost toppled odious Wes Streeting. Very close call.

And congrats to Jeremy Corbyn. Labour were nowhere near.

@Kovus
Reform votes are merely protest votes (even if some of those voters do not realise it).

that’s genuinely funny 🤣

Wes Streeting truly is odious @hairbearbunches