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Why isn’t there a political party who sit in the middle

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UpcomingElection2024 · 28/06/2024 14:07

I’ve been following all the political news recently and watching the live debates and can’t help but think why isn’t there a political party that represent the majority of what I would call hard working normal people want. I’m aware that this means different things to different people but surely there are some policies that people in both labour and Tory camps would agree on such as:

proper control of migration:

  1. allow in skilled workers to plug the gaps in labour, we should welcome people who add value to our country and want to contribute the society and allow them to apply for residency / dual citizenship after x years.
  2. allow safe routes and channels into the country for those fleeing persecution in their own countries, but not when they have travelled through other safe countries to get here. I’m genuinely curious why they come to UK after they have arrived in France when they could stop there - what is the draw?
  3. hard stop on illegal immigration, surely options 1 & 2 above are the correct viable options. If investment is needed in 1 & 2 then we should put it in place.
  4. stop any type of benefits for group 1 above, they haven’t paid into the country to qualify and should work to fund being here.

proper investment in healthcare:

  1. properly fund clinical staff in healthcare, overhaul managerial roles and invest in up to date IT systems to streamline services
  2. Add in more frontline clinical staff to improve quality of care basically have a more sensible ratio of clinical to admin/managerial roles (more Indians less chiefs)
  3. give PIP benefits to those who truely need it and ensure they can have a proper quality of life and support for families, the Kate Garaway documentary was heartbreaking.
  4. reduce ambiguous PIP payments for hidden disabilities that can’t be properly proven. Why does ADHD need paying for? (Genuinely curious) it never existed before and people made adjustments to their lives to accommodate any needs.

Education:

  1. make teaching an attractive profession again and support teachers to be able to teach and not be tied up with targets etc
  2. stop school fines - it’s just a money making ploy

Councils:

  1. hold them to account on their spending
  2. invest more in public services, local swimming pools, maintaining public areas, the councils should work for the people who live in their communities and reflect their needs not be run like businesses

Energy companies:

  1. again hold them to account and cap the profits they are allowed to make.
  2. enforce them to reinvest in xx% beck into infrastructure

welfare/ benefits

  1. It shouldn’t be an option to choose not to work because someone is better off on benefits, this baffles me that it’s a viable option for some.
  2. why should workers fund those who choose not to work ( not those who physically can’t)
  3. cap how long someone can be on benefits like in other countries. It shouldnt be there as an option to help short term to help get people back into work and shouldn’t be used as an alternative to working

I suppose my point is surely there’s a mid point in some of these topics that both Tory and labour voters would buy into that would make society a fairer and more united place.

once we get the country back on track we can then move forward but to me it feels like we’re in a sinking boat trying to get the water out with a teaspoon.

it’s frustrating to agree with certain policies from each party but none that truly take in the views of the majority. (Again maybe I’m disillusioned on what this is) surely there’s topics that the majority of the country agree on!

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User2460177 · 28/06/2024 16:59

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/06/2024 15:54

I haven’t told you anything about how my disabilities affect me though.

So how can you possibly judge whether l need it or not?

Is that you Rishi?

As I said, you don’t work or seem to have any need for specialist equipment so it’s difficult to see why such a person should be entitled to extra money simply for being disabled. Imo it should be restricted to reimbursement of disability related costs.

As we have established there are 3.8 million people on PIP most of whom are working age. It’s very costly. These funds would likely be better directed to other areas like the NHS.

bergamotorange · 28/06/2024 17:03

User2460177 · 28/06/2024 16:59

As I said, you don’t work or seem to have any need for specialist equipment so it’s difficult to see why such a person should be entitled to extra money simply for being disabled. Imo it should be restricted to reimbursement of disability related costs.

As we have established there are 3.8 million people on PIP most of whom are working age. It’s very costly. These funds would likely be better directed to other areas like the NHS.

Having a disability brings extra costs in all sorts of ways. If you don't understand this, that is a failure on your part.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/06/2024 17:09

User2460177 · 28/06/2024 16:59

As I said, you don’t work or seem to have any need for specialist equipment so it’s difficult to see why such a person should be entitled to extra money simply for being disabled. Imo it should be restricted to reimbursement of disability related costs.

As we have established there are 3.8 million people on PIP most of whom are working age. It’s very costly. These funds would likely be better directed to other areas like the NHS.

But l haven’t told you anything. How do you know?

l’m in a wheelchair for starters.

Bromptotoo · 28/06/2024 17:13

User2460177 · 28/06/2024 16:48

I do understand how the system works. Some people who already get PIP continue to get it after state pension age. Yet a pensioner who hasn’t made a PIP claim prior to state pension age wouldn’t get PIP regardless of whether they would qualify (if it were not for their age). It’s that disparity I am saying is unfair.

But if they claim after 66 they can get Attendance Allowance which, so far as problems with the activities of day to day living are concerned, pays the same amount.

I can sort of see that it's unfair that you get help with mobility after 66 if you had it before but not otherwise. However, if it was withdrawn form people who were, say, double amputees at 66 that's not politically acceptable.

verdantverdure · 28/06/2024 17:22

There ain't nothing centrist about benefit bashing.

Just saying.

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/06/2024 17:50

User2460177 · 28/06/2024 16:59

As I said, you don’t work or seem to have any need for specialist equipment so it’s difficult to see why such a person should be entitled to extra money simply for being disabled. Imo it should be restricted to reimbursement of disability related costs.

As we have established there are 3.8 million people on PIP most of whom are working age. It’s very costly. These funds would likely be better directed to other areas like the NHS.

Are you imagining things then believing them to be true @User2460177?🫣

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