To say I am fucking elated that this bunch of charlatans are on there way out

[Doyouhonestlyexpectmetobelieve]

My God I hated Thatcjer and all she stood for .. but at least I think she was honourable in her beliefs even if they were not mine .. but THIS LOT .. from BOJO onwards what a bunch of grifters ..

And before anyone says 'they are all the same ' .. I really don't think so ... At least in the 'lining their own pockets ' agenda .. AIBU to think this ?

Hybrid, ah, so we will have to reassess. By itself that speaks of lower upper middle class, but when combined with only travelling 30miles for the holiday, that adds a bit of doubt in (stop, enough already).

Good man 🙌

I have time for decent Tories like Ken Clarke. I don't agree with their politics, but they are decent human beings.

They are appalled at what their party has become.

When will Sunak call for elections? He should get the message and pass the baton on.

Posh instrument = harpsichord.

Surely on Mumsnet it’s a clavinova?

Well spotted - we do indeed have one of those!

StarlingsForever
If you can't understand how people can be educated, musical and support Labour then I am very sorry but that is your own narrow-minded problem.

On the contrary - I am very familiar with terms such as: the liberal elite, champagne socialists, the Islington set, lefty-lawyers, militant teachers, militant (young) doctors, Marxist academics ...

Why should his parents have to take him out of a school he joined as a state school pre A-levels?

Because they were staunch Labour supporters and named their son after a socialist icon? Because Keir joined the East Surrey Young Socialists at age 16 and the sixth form was fee paying?

Did you read that Jeremy Corbyn and his second wife partly blame their divorce on their differing views about selective education? Corbyn's ex-wife wanted their son to take up a place at a super-selective grammar school - Corbyn was against it because of his socialist principals. The boy did end up going to the school but the marriage ended.

@Clavinova they are lazy, stupid and unimaginative pigeon holes constructed by the narrow-minded and bigoted. Why am I not surprised that you are very familiar with them?

Starmer started in Year 7 in a state school and completed his secondary education there without paying any fees. Big deal. So you really think his parents ought to have withdrawn him because the school monetised itself. Wow. Guessing you don't mind about any children being displaced due to a VAT on school fees policy then?

In any case, even if Starmer had gone to Eton, he is still perfectly entitled to embrace his own politics as an adult. Your issue has to be more with his parents than him as he was a minor at that stage. Spoiler alert - his parents are not going to be running the country.

StarlingsForever
Guessing you don't mind about any children being displaced due to a VAT on school fees policy then?

I do mind - Keir Starmer doesn't - that's the hypocrisy.

Do you mind?

Well said @StarlingsForever

Surprised at you being quite so narrow minded and bigoted Clav - although I don't know why I should be.

Actually, it was a euphemism for the 'World Snooker Championship final has just ended'.

I think the hypocrisy is yours. You care about private school children being displaced now but advocate Starmer having been displaced forty years ago (because he is a nasty Lefty one would assume).

We don't know the detail of the VAT policy yet. It is all broad conjecture at this stage. I am more worried about children already living in poverty than children who most likely will not be displaced by a still hypothetical VAT on school fees policy.

Zonder

Charming.

Do you mind about any children being displaced due to a VAT on school fees?

Snooker?! It's a slippery slope. He'll be watching darts next! 😮

Clavi-non sequitur-nova strikes again.

StarlingsForever

Hypothetically then - do you mind about any children being displaced due to a VAT on school fees policy? In particular the bursary children/prospective bursary children/fewer bursary places?

I am more worried about children already living in poverty

How can you be sure the money will go to children living in poverty? A previous poster on this thread said her child benefited from a free music scheme for inner city deprived children. Her child comes from a relatively well off, middle class family.

Zonder

It wasn't a trick question.

You didn't answer my question about why it would have been right for Starmer to be displaced but not the hypothetical cases from a policy which may or may not happen. You go first...

Er, no-one said that the money would go to children living in poverty. I can be concerned about children living in poverty as a cause in itself. Some of us think it is quite a significant one.

Because child poverty always rises under the Tories and drops under Labour. Wasn’t it at its lowest ever in 2006?

And now it’s like Victorian times. Whats the connection with that then?

StarlingsForever
You didn't answer my question about why it would have been right for Starmer to be displaced

I think I did - Starmer joined the East Surrey Young Socialists at age 16. I see his birthday is 2 September - so before he entered the sixth form.

Your turn.

Er, no-one said that the money would go to children living in poverty.

Actually, Labour's pledge on this policy is to target disadvantaged children first.

It rose in 2006 according to this chart;

https://www.health.org.uk/evidence-hub/money-and-resources/poverty/trends-in-poverty

do you mind about any children being displaced due to a VAT on school fees policy? In particular the bursary children/prospective bursary children/fewer bursary places?

I wonder too, do people mind?

16? The age of majority is 18. Really, you don't know this?

Labour's pledge on this policy is to target disadvantaged children first.

Total unfounded hyperbole. Where does it say that?

do you mind about any children being displaced due to a VAT on school fees policy? In particular the bursary children/prospective bursary children/fewer bursary places?

I wonder too, do people mind?

I suppose most people are waiting for the full details and facts rather than listening to the social media version of events.

When the details are known then some people might mind, but the vast majority of people won't be personally less well off because of this and have other things to worry about that are closer to home.

Most don't vote on a single issue anyway.

More people will have been negatively impacted by the Conservative removal of bursaries for student nurses . The number of nurses applying dropped and now the NHS is in crisis because of the shortage of nurses and millions of patients are on waiting lists.

You still haven't answered my question.

Total unfounded hyperbole. Where does it say that?

It certainly isn't unfounded hyperbole - I heard Bridget Phillipson say on LBC that money from VAT on private schools would be targeted towards disadvantaged pupils first.