Or have Labour totally lost the plot wrt women’s rights?

[Lion400]

Does Starmer really underestimate women this much??

‘Would you vote for a party that promised to let men parade around bollock-naked in women’s changing rooms?

Or a party that was alarmingly blasé about gay kids being ‘corrected’ with drugs and surgery?

Or a party that threatened to clamp down on thoughtcriminals who refer to people with penises and testicles – you know, men – as men?

If not, then don’t vote Labour in the upcoming General Election. Because it’s possible it will pursue all of these petty tyrannical policies’

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/13/tyranny-in-drag/

There are only about 30 people in the chamber. Most MPs are in their constituencies.

How is that relevant to the fact they are filibustering? They’ve finally moved on the second bill. How long will this take I wonder.

Not a surprise I suppose but a shame for women and children that Labour want to delay

It’s relevant because Friday is the day no hope private members’ bills go to die because nobody of any note is there to discuss them. I’ve just had a look to see who’s there, there isn’t a single face I recognise.

😂 if you say so. Lloyd Russell-moyles is there. He attempted to extend the animal welfare discussion by talking about the xl bully situation. He was told to shut up too. He’s a misogynist personified.

From another time in parliament. See 03:21

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hi5bw

Well well well. It looks as if Labour have successfully filibustered their way out of discussing their stance on women’s sex- based rights today.

Proof if anyone needed it that they are not a party for women.

Yep. Women and children not worth the debate for Labour.

If they had nothing to hide they’d let talk happen.

Woeful

Quite. I’m not sure why but this is now even more depressing than it already was. This is evidence of their intentions. Their intentions are dark.

It’s not a surprise to me I can see how much avoiding this issue matters.

They will get mandate for this behaviour, TRA males will lobby post GE.

Good luck to those who want it. To those who don’t well what can I say, it’ll be depressing as hell

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

Honestly I am so desperate for Labour to do something to make me think that they will prioritise women and children from trans demands. And now this.

They don't want to protect children from harm even after the WPath files and the NHS banning puberty blockers because they harm children.

I am now starting to wonder if they actually want to get into power?

Or which donors they are trying to please? Because trying to prevent legislation from going through to protect children from harm is beyond the pale.

Looking on the bright side.. Their obviously obstructive behaviour today might result in a backlash. Which might push them to reconsider their shitness on this issue.

Either that or it might push people not to vote Labour, if they were on the fence.

If only there was a viable alternative, it’d be a walk in the park for them to win this election.
This of course is what Labour are relying on - lazy repulsive hypocritical misogynistic champagne socialists that they so very clearly are.

Its an important issue but I’m not remotely bothered by today’s filibuster.

The proposed bill was a waste of time, the Government themselves have said it is unworkable in its current form.

Both parties are committed to protecting single sex spaces, within the confines of the law. This requires serious work, not performative debates (between a handful of ministers) over a bill that is never going to become law.

You misunderstand the point of the PMB. Some (few) might lead directly to law changes. Others might, by creating publicity around an issue, affect legislation indirectly. They create awareness and movement which might not have been there before. As Labour know well, which is why they fcked it over.

Well that and the fact they had no clue how to answer any questions with any ounce of sense.

If there wasn’t already massive awareness around the topic, then raising awareness would be useful.

This was just leveraging the issue either for Truss’s self promotion or for electioneering.

I don’t care about Truss or her motivations.

@Lion400 If the conservatives win the next GE despite their woeful record and they do whatever they want to do with trans folk - transportation, forced labour in the Shetlands, etc what happens after, like to the country ? What policies do you want to see ? Tbh you seem to have a bit of a one track mind….most people see it as an issue to be dealt with at some point, but first get the tories out

And I don’t care if a short, ideological debate over an issue that is already front and centre of British politics (and where current Labour and Conservatives positions are very similar) between a handful of MPs, over unworkable legislation, is filibustered.

Well-considered practical solutions are needed, not unproductive hand-wringing and party-political games.

But why bother with a PMB to create publicity/raise awareness when they could just change the law? They have a majority in parliament, so if they want to legislate to protect single sex spaces, they can.

Are you suggesting that they need to raise awareness first because there isn't public support for changing the law? I would be surprised at that, personally. Most people I know take a common sense approach to gender issues and can absolutely see the logic in protecting single sex spaces. And those who want men to be allowed to enter women-only spaces are unlikely to be persuaded to change their minds by a debate in parliament. So what's the point? Why not just go ahead and legislate while they still have the power to do so?

Personally I think it serves the interests of the Tory party not to change the law to protect single sex spaces because they see it as a useful stick with which to beat the Labour Party. It helps them to keep stoking the culture wars.

If they really wanted to protect single sex spaces, surely they'd have done it by now.

Their positions aren't similar though. Labour are giving mixed messages about their intentions (I posted a link yesterday to an article explaining why). I don't trust Labour with this issue at all (not helped by their treatment of Rosie Duffield and other gender critical Labour women).

I generally don't trust the Tories on many things, but I think that they actually get the issue here.

Yes they could do that. But they aren’t doing that. So why aren’t Labour asking them to? Why aren’t Labour committing to updating the EA to protect biological sex?

Because they don’t want to. Because they are misogynistic weasels.

At this point I want to hear a debate

Direct questions by people who get the topic so I can be informed on what people think

Women shouldn’t have it so hard getting information

Maybe women are aware but it’s not that pressing a concern unlike say COL crisis or heating your home or paying your rent. And remember that not everyone agrees with you and they aren’t necessarily woman haters.

Because it’s expected to be a lengthy, legally complicated process - in part because any new legislation is expected to receive legal challenges.

https://amp.theguardian.com/law/2023/apr/05/what-would-changing-the-equality-act-mean-for-trans-people-and-single-sex-spaces

Both Labour and Conservatives have committed to improving the legislation. It could be that the Tories are pursuing it as diligently as they are able, or that they are dragging their feet to keep it as a campaign issue - it’s hard to say, but they have certainly instigated the process, which Labour have said they support.