Why is a conflict 2,200 miles away allowed to cause mayhem on UK streets?

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@AndThatWasNY You have described the issue. When laws are broken by citizens, there should be consequences. It’s not racist say the Rochdale gangs weren’t pursued as they should have been due to race. It’s well documented and something we steer away from as being “racist”. It’s not. Fair and equal treatment of all is required and I would say the same if white people were given the benefit of doubt. Race does not matter if you break the law. If laws are broken by any group, and of course that included CofE employees(!), then we use the powers we have to prosecute. We must treat lawbreakers equally. If we don’t, society breaks down as we now see.

If there are 3.8million Muslims in the UK, and they are no longer a minority, are you saying that our entire population is now less than 7.6million? What happened to everyone else that was here before?!

Or are you actually just saying that you don't really understand what is meant by the term "minority"?

Also, what's your evidence regarding the Muslim leader of the SNP intimidating the speaker? This is just made up shit.

Errmmm…. Do you know what the population of the UK is? Do you understand the definition of minority?

@PinkTeaForMe

"Daily Mail doing what they do best and stirring the pot. Mumsnet closet racists all over it.

For the record, protests against the genocide are attended by thousands of British Muslims and non Muslims alike who stand together in peace. U. The idiots in this article don't represent the thousands of UK Muslims who are opposed to the illegal occupation."

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So right now there is full on ethnic cleansing going on in Pakistan of 1.7 million Afghans but nobody seems to care.

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/22/whats-wrong-the-silence-of-pakistanis-on-expulsion-of-afghan-refugees

Right now there is a full on genocide going on for over 10 years of Muslim Uighurs in China but I see no marches.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037.amp

Even though Christianity is the largest religion worldwide, it is also the most persecuted religion worldwide, yet this rarely makes the news. This is especially the case in countries with larger Muslim populations., moreover these countries are characterized by their authoritarian nature.

www.statista.com/statistics/271002/persecution-of-christians-worldwide/

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/25/left-persecution-christians-meriam-ibrahim-sudan

So what makes the situation in Gaza so different that it warrants the regular and large protests? It seems that genocide, ethnic cleansing or persecution slips by with barely a murmur when it is done by Muslims against fellow Muslims or by Muslims against Christians.

Could it be that it is not just the terrible events going in Gaza but the point that it is being done by Jewish Israelis that creates such outrage compared to the above.

Or to paraphrase your comment: "Anyone who doesn't want to see the real agenda ..... needs to have a word with themselves".

But rather than address the above points and double standards your stock answer is to dismiss them as either closet or overt racism.

What Israel are doing is illegal and wrong, people should boycott Israeli products but that's a choice. It's called freedom to choose and selling a brand should not mean you are effectively closed down.

Debate and peaceful protest is where it should start and end. I can understand that feelings are running high because of the suffering we are witnessing but riots won't stop it.

We need to pressure government to do something to stop Israel....stop selling arms and importing products would be a start

@MissyB1

"Errmmm…. Do you know what the population of the UK is? Do you understand the definition of minority"

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I think the point that @Beautiful3 was trying to make is that that Muslims are no longer a minority religion in the UK:

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/29/census-2021-in-charts-christianity-now-minority-religion-in-england-and-wales

I think the point that @Beautiful3 was trying to make is that that Muslims are no longer a minority religion in the UK:

That article discusses Christianity now being a minority religion (I.e. practised by under half the population). The proportion of Muslims is far lower than this (under 10%) and is definitely a minority religion.

@noblegiraffe

"That article discusses Christianity now being a minority religion (I.e. practised by under half the population). The proportion of Muslims is far lower than this (under 10%) and is definitely a minority religion."

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In which case then I have no idea what point @Beautiful3 was making.

They were wittering on about far right Great Replacement conspiracy theory bollocks.

It is helpful to know (and particularly evident on this thread) that a subset of racists think that Muslim immigrants are deliberately coming here with the aim of ‘replacing’ and pushing out good old white folk from the U.K. and Europe.

I think the general intention of @Beautiful3's post was pretty clear.

I feel that multiculturalism doesn't work. I like the idea of a big melting pot of cultures, religions, beliefs and ideas but I think the practicality is that we are a divided community. I do worry that the UK is becoming a pro anti Islam split. I wish the marches and protests would stop. They must scare the hell out of Jewish people in the UK and causing more znd more divide. I live near Rochdale and our politics seems split between voting for pro palistine or voting for local matters, people are talking locally and there is a clear split.

I think what is happening in Israel/ Palestine to average people is horrific but I have no skin in the game. I'd rather UK politics focused on issues here. If we have to get involved in a war or spend more money on one I'd rather we help Ukraine that get back involved with the middle East.

I think multiculturalism is preferable to not having it. In numerous ways actually, apart from ethical -CIPD says that a multicultural and inclusive approach in workplaces is actually more productive in financial terms.

I think that the far right of the Tory party is whipping up Islamophobia for its own populist purposes, taking lessons from Bannon etc in America. Competing with the Reform party (limited company) whilst flirting with it. Fuck them.

That isn't to say that there are not nut jobs and troublemakers all over, in every ethnicity and religion. Some white middle aged men who hang around on conspiracy websites are prime candidates. I was in central London for a graduation ceremony when one of the first Palestinian marches was on. Those older skinhead types were roving in gangs looking for trouble, and the police were trying to separate them off.

I live in a very diverse and multicultural part of the country. Multiculturalism can work very well in some places.

Rather than leaping to the conclusion that it simply doesn't work, perhaps we should be investigating why it isn't working in some parts of the country, given that it works really well in others. E.g. is there an impact of poverty? Low levels of education? Other factors?

I should think all of that, @MrsBennetsPoorNerves , plus racism in selection processes when people do have skills.

I real hate that it's fuelled by people we pay to know better. It disgusts me.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves I’m glad you live in an area where it works, that would be the ideal. All of of those things you mentioned of course play a part and also racist views handed down from generation to generation but that isn’t all one sided. There are issues with some cultures not wanting to integrate and viewing other cultures as less, women and girls especially. Racism, lack of tolerance and respect for other people’s beliefs and values is clearly rising and the election is heightening things.

Maybe looking at the mix of cultures as well, which cultures? What type of economic breakdown between them as I’m sure this plays a part.

Just to say not all of Rochdale is poverty ridden and uneducated likewise I’m sure there must be areas where you live that aren’t picture perfect and I find it hard to believe in any diverse population there isn’t some racism.

Just to add I think most people would struggle hold Rochdsae up as an example of working multiculuralism.

I can only speak for myself and all the people I personally know who have been involved in organising Palestinian fundraising and demo attendance.

I have been moved to act in this case because unlike the case of the other abhorrent acts in other parts of the world, our government is supporting this one. My taxes are being used to support this genocide, so I want to petition my government to stop selling arms to Israel and to use their influence to call for a ceasefire.

On a personal level I have seen images coming out of Gaza that I will never ever forget. I have seen doctors from MSF talking about children with sniper bullets in their heads, children being left to die on the floor of hospitals without pain relief, whole families wiped out added in the fact that those still alive are starving to death. I feel a responsibility as a human to take a stand in my own little way.

My horror in the situation has nothing to do with the fact the people doing this call themselves Jews. In contrast I can't see anything Jewish in the way the Israeli government are behaving. My Jewish friends are horrified that this is being done in their name.

Of course there is some racism where I live - my own husband and daughter have both been subjected to it. But on the whole, the community is very mixed and very integrated, and overall, it works well.

I'm less than convinced about certain cultures not wanting to integrate. Many of the cultures that are often viewed as "not wanting to integrate" are well represented in my community as well, and they are perfectly well integrated here. I think it does often come back to low levels of education - amongst the immigrant population sometimes as well as amongst the original communities.

I think it also helps a lot when then there is genuine diversity - ie lots of different ethnicities and religions represented. I think it can become a lot more polarised when there are essentially just two dominant groups.

The people I'm referring to as being viewed as not wanting to integrate are well represented. There are clearly culture clashes locally but I take on what you're saying and agree, I'd love to have a bigger mix and yes I think it would help as well as making life more interesting. I also think not wanting to integrate and not being able to or there being barriers in place are two different things and there is a bit of both.

@showmethegin "so I want to petition my government to stop selling arms to Israel"

So will you also be petitioning the government to stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia that has an appalling Human Rights Record and is half responsible for the conflict in Yemen?
According to the UN, over 150,000 people have been killed in Yemen, as well as estimates of more than 227,000 dead as a result of an ongoing famine and lack of healthcare facilities due to the 10 year war.

Will you also be petitioning the government not to supply arms to China? The Asian superpower has long been accused of engaging in the suppression of its Uighur Muslim minority in the west of the country. The Chinese government has committed a series of ongoing Human Rights abuses against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang that is often characterized as a genocide.

Or are you rather selective in your approach to Human Rights?

Yes? I have personally spoken to my MP about this issue for a number of years and have donated monthly to CAAT for about 3 years!