If there was a GE today who would you vote for?

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Bit cheeky but I’m curious to see if there are genuinely any Tory voters out there at all following another disastrous week for Rishi Sunak.

So who would get your vote?

I‘ll go first, I would vote Labour. As much as I would love to hear more on policy and a firm grittiness from them, I do understand that Keir Starmer is doing the best he can, in that he can’t alienate a large proportion of the electorate so needs to toe the line.

I am glad you agree that I never said that every private school parent drives an SUV, perhaps you would like to ask for your misleading post to be deleted?

Lib Dem to keep out a Tory, I'm in a LD/Tory marginal.

I want a Labour government. I'm beyond tired of being shackled economically and socially to a hard right minority in the Conservative party and to a nonagenarian hatemonger. Do I think life will be all roses? No, not at all. I think Keir Starmer is fine and I'm not looking for a hero, just a team approach to trying to improve things. That will include some stuff I don't agree with. Hello, that's real life.

Are you sure I am the one who is confused?

You are concerned about migration and are going to vote for a party that has failed to control migration even though it has repeatedly stated it as one its aims.

Ok.

It's not really about thinking the Tories are great it's about keeping labour out .
I cannot believe all the people thinking labour are the wholly grail . The country is broke , no party has any money to do anything with . This Tory government is about as left as I've seen . It's muddying the waters .

You’re the one with a misleading post who should be asking for it to be removed. You said that private school parents were saying that they were going to remove their children and then continuing to drive around in SUVs. Total bull shit and just feeding into a stereotype.

Yes I’m sure

Labour’s policies will not match the increased people movement. There is no fast and nice way to do it without being the country people choose over others

EU have already said forget about it to Starmer’s suggestions. Because he’s not able to get what they do.

If people look ahead at numbers increasing massively we’d be likely start to get more aligned with EU response from France and Germany and others

Atm all these posts and U.K. generally is going against the shift elsewhere

Probably Monster Raving Loony Party.

I can’t bring myself to vote for any of the others. This country has gone to sh**

I am leaving before the next elections. Totally done here. Would not vote today if elections were called .

Probably Labour, never Tory. Would consider Green if it wasn't going to make any difference, since I favour their policies over Labour. Really I'd like to see a broad left alliance to get the sham of a government out.

I'm sorry you think your personal anecdotes outweigh data and evidence. I am incredibly angry that this government have utterly destroyed the country over the past 13 years and seeing first hand every day the impact that austerity and their policies are having on people allows me to have empathy beyond my own situation- something most Tory voters lack.

@LyndaLaHughes I am quite sure that if Labour had remained in power from 2015 until now, the country would be in a worse mess. Just look at Wales and the mess Sadique Khan has made in London.

Unlike the tories ??

Where will you go?

Looking at general views we’ve got a back up but still nice life here.

Conservative. But I think MN is fairly left wing so I'd expect 90% of posters to say they'd vote Labour.

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You've lost me at 2015. Given the Tories have been in power since 2010 you have no idea what you are talking about.
Let me spell out their failure-

(This was their pre-covid and Ukrainian war record as I know how Tory voters love to blame their failures on that.)

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit styimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.

I'd be delighted to see a list of their successes. I've asked countless times for Tory voters to post one. Funnily enough I've still never seen it. I can happily post a list of these similar statistics from the end of the last Labour government. The contrast is stark.

@Philandbill love your dh’s attitude. Though he may want to consider my lovely dad’s advice. As a staunch labour supporter, member and campaigner, he advocated always inviting the Tory canvassers in for an in-depth chat. To hold them up! 😂

I usually put a sign up “Tories (and other parties of their ilk), do not knock, do not put your flyers through. I would not vote for you with a gun to my head”.

at the next election I’ll be out canvassing (I haven’t done so since the 90s).

I'll be voting Labour. I'm not excited or particularly enthusiastic to do so; they're not inspiring me. I'm not voting for them because I believe they'll usher in some sort of utopia. But the last 13 years have seen the country sink to depths I could never have imagined. It's been year after year of self-interested, arrogant, venal incompetence that has seen us become a laughing stock on the world stage and meant that we are struggling more with eg: CoL than other similar countries.

The Tory party used to be made up of people with whom I vehemently disagreed but could (usually) understand or even (sometimes) respect. It's now just a party of sociopathic wreckers gleefully intent on making every bad situation worse. I know Labour will be far from perfect but I genuinely don't understand how anyone who gives even the tiniest of fucks about this country and its people could vote Tory after the shitshow of the last 13 years.

I would spoil my ballot

However it sounds like most of my colleagues would vote Conservative.

I live on a street where I'm the youngest and everyone else is 75+ years old and all my neighbours are Conservative voters too. Posters in the windows etc

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Of course you know that ULEZ was a boris policy. Trumpeted by him as a necessity when he was mayor of London in 2015. But you knew that didn’t you @crew2022 ?

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/ultra-low-emission-zone

The only reason the Tories wrought less destruction in 2010 was due to Nick Clegg stopping their march of asset stripping the country for the first term and putting a stop to their nasty policies designed to benefit the rich, squeeze the middle and ruin the poor.

Also with regards to Sadiq Khan. As a previous poster has explained- ULEZ was a Tory policy and it was also a Tory Policy to extend the Congestion charging zone across London. Something which Labour stopped. Also- the reason for ULEZ is to fix a gaping hole in the finances of TFL caused by government underfunding and Covid.
The hypocrisy of the Tories trying to use ULEZ against Labour is staggering. They will lie and say anything.

www.onlondon.co.uk/letter-from-grant-shapps-shows-that-government-proposed-enlarging-london-congestion-charge-zone/amp/

I've never ever had right-leanings. I'm a socialist to my core. But I don't think Labour even remotely represent my beliefs any longer, Starmer appears to be tory-lite, can't say what a woman is. I don't think I can, in all conscience, vote for a party that puts men's ladyfeelz over the physical reality and safety of my daughter and me.

The greens are captured too. And are bonkers where I live.

I've always been so sure and now I have no idea who represents me and my core beliefs, who actually deserves my vote.

So it's either spoil my ballot or...well I don't know. Do I hold my nose or my nerve? I simply don't know. It makes me nauseous to think of.

So you are happy with hopeless, untrustworthy Sir Starmer. He is grovelling to the EU who are laughing at him and is cosying up to Sir Blair, multi millionaire, who sent our forces to fight in US wars and be killed maimed. Sign up to every fringe policy, trans for example. No thanks

So you are happy with a proven 13 year record of failure? Actual facts and evidence of a catalogue of disasters that have ruined the country vs a theory of what someone else might be like? Look around you at the mess the country is in. The whole world is talking about us and the disaster we have become.