Tory next move to scrap paid worker’s holidays FFS

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Apparently, this is highly likely to happen according to someone I know. He’s been right about a lot of things. I hope he isn’t right about this.

Middle earners are unlikely to lose holidays
That's a perk employers will still offer to keep talent

It's the people at the bottom of the heap where we have a terrible worker shortage that will be affected

The Govt introduced 7 day working in the NHS for no additional pay, just time off.

It also wouldn't effect middle earners, their employers would not want to cut holiday entitlement, which can be very generous.

But as with ZHC's at the lower end, anything is possible.

WTD will go long before hols will be cut.

They won't reduce workers rights in this way? Why not? They've already made it: easier for your employer to fire you; longer until you have job security; difficult and costly to take an employer to an employment tribunal. They also didn't keep their minimum wage promise, raised the age until you can even get the minimum wage, introduced useless apprentiships so rather than an hour of training it now take a year to teach somebody how to make coffee, took away child benefit from those earning over 50k but a couple earning 98k between them can still get it.... No body said anything about this, why would they now? They'll just say we need to do it as British workers are unproductive and coddled, business will leave without a shake up!

Exactly. Some people are so naive. Truss has already said that she doesn't care about her popularity, and made it clear that corporations are her priority.

@midgetastic not illegal, but police have the right to break up protests that become violent or hugely disruptive.

I cannot read that link. But Sky news has a banner top left with the exchange rate and percentage the Conservatives and Labour are receiving in poll averages. Right now it’s 32% conservative, 41.7% labour.

It’s imaginary that an averagely paid earner will think yes I want fewer holiday days

There’s no point in offering SD for that group to undo it with this. They clearly want the middle group on side. They’ll get the high end automatically

What is WTD - oh Working time directive I think

Yes I agree if people talk specifically about ZHC etc then maybe

I'd be happy with 48 since I usually do 55 and I'm only paid for 37

Reducing the rights of the British back to Victorian standards was the feature of Brexit, not a bug.

They have done it with food, now energy. Next they will pluck every benefit or advantage from you and you can't even protest against it.

They’ll sneak it in, a bit at a time, most powerless people first. And bit by bit, people will accept it as ‘how things are now’

I don't think they will just scrap holidays ,it will creeping a few sectors a time , new starters , new contracts etc, they are prepared to play the long game .

It doesn't matter if more people would vote labour - the voting system supported by "boundary changes " in this country means only a few voters actually have any impact

These things happen over time, so should the Tories win in 2024, thats very possible... she can say she has a mandate to cut hols for new starters but leave it up to employers to decide...
Public service workers wont strike as it won't effect existing staff, just as with FS pensions.

Lack of nurses teachers etc wont bother them, just as having 50% of maternity units declared as unsafe or £8billion paid out in medical maternity claims doesn't bother them.

8 billion!!! that would give free old age care for all for the next 2 years.

I agree with those saying it'll happen gradually. Initially most employers will keep things as they are for existing employees, but plenty of poorly paid jobs will see contracts for new employees which have reduced holidays. Then x weeks paid holiday will start to be sold as a "bonus" even in higher paid jobs. Gradually the "bonus" will be available to fewer and fewer people.

That's how this stuff happens - they don't do it in one whack, they phase it in. It's like the boiling frog analogy; people just accept lots of small changes until those have added up to a big change.

It’s worth separating out the employees they’d like to keep - and grow. In terms of skills etc

It doesn’t make sense to drive them away or lose their votes over this

This definitely won’t happen, can you imagine the uproar? Unions wouldn’t let it pass.

Again, the Govt has no ability to dictate to private sector what they can or cannot do.
Look at UK maternity or Dentistry to see how little both main parties care for you or i

Lack of public sector workers is of no concern to the Government e.g 300k shortage of care workers and 110k nhs workers.

It will creep in, bit like how final salary pensions disappeared, rules will be changed on holiday pay at first for just new starters and then it will just gradually encompass everyone

the Govt has no ability to dictate to private sector what they can or cannot do.

Agree. So if the distinction could be made I’d not have such an issue with the logic.

It has already been happening with 0 hour contracts. These things creep in and happen over time. My grandma worked in an NHS cafeteria. She got double pay on a Sunday, a decent pension, had contracted hours and holiday pay. Now at the same hospital it's all outsourced and done on 0 hour contracts.

In the private sector holiday pay will probably become a perk like health insurance and stuff like that

If there is a crisis that is entirely for reasons entirely unrelated to the last 12 years then it seems reasonable if not compelling to make hard choices like removing constraints on financial services' workers bonuses, having millions of lower paid workers take real terms pay cuts and cuts to holiday entitlements and lots more to come. The sunny uplands of Brexit won't deliver a buccaneering vibrant nation state without making hard, tough, Thatcher-esque Mrs T-cosplay choices. Any comparisons to 2010 when hard choices were made that led to the richest % gaining an additional £2.5tn of wealth while the majority of workers having a 25% cut in pay and benefits in real terms and the nation has the weakest economic growth amongst comparable economies probably won't be fair though might come true. Do you all want the country to fail and for the talented to fly the country like Lloyd Webber threatened when he thought Labour might win?

Just think of when the UK was the factory of the world, creating wealth that trickled down like a warm shower down the happy workers' necks. 6 day weeks with no time off on Saturdays to play or watch sport, long hours and none of that nanny state health and safety that restricts growth like a Labour government. Children in the workforce learning skills and being too tired to riot or mug their betters and working alongside their parents. Family values in action unlike Labour who want to destroy the family.

That is exactly how it's done. Just like change to state pension age and such,people who are not affected by change will barely pay attention to it and certainly not take to the streets to protect other people's rights.

Perhaps it not that people don't pay attention, it's that they all agree to make personal sacrifices to save the country and keep it as an attractive jurisdiction for the super rich. Like WW2. Dunkirk and blitz spirit in action. No such thing as a magic money tree. and something else. Oh yes, sacrifices to preserve peace in Europe and beat Russia.