Did you vote Tory? Did you hand BJ 'a colossal mandate'?

[Fordian]

Do you feel you did?

Now. An aside. I think anyone who voted Leave but then didn't vote Tory is a charlatan. You wanted this, own this, support this.

If you either didn't vote, or voted other, shame on you. Where is your loyalty? Certainty in your conviction?

Yes, yes, we all know where this lead.

But your PM is citing you, the 14m, as being his mandate.

How do you feel about that?

I could say the same to fervent Labour supporters. There's a swathe of people that are highly unlikely to change their allegiance. I wouldn't ever vote for Labour or the Lib Dems. I find it strange that people don't understand it - I understand the reasons why some Labour supporters wouldn't ever vote Conservative.

I believe in voting which leaves me with the Conservatives unless a new/different party provides an alternative.

An aside. I think anyone who voted Leave but then didn't vote Tory is a charlatan. You wanted this, own this, support this.

I voted remain, but Lexit was a real position that some leftists genuinely held. Mostly due to concerns about the stranglehold of the Euro/ECB (and Germany in particular) on economically weaker countries like Greece. Corbyn was pretty obviously a Lexiter, and clearly he was never going to vote Tory

It absolutely blows my brain when people say "I've always voted Tory, always will" or "I did, and I'll do it again".

Just the absolute ignorance and pig headed-ness of it all. You don't have to pick a political party at 18 and stick with them regardless until you die (or their policies kill you).

Baffling.

@daisyjgrey Your comments are really offensive. I haven’t always voted Tory. I voted Tory last time and will do so again for numerous reasons including the fact that I don’t believe that the other two mainstream parties respect my rights as a woman. I am not ashamed of voting Tory and I am going to shout about it now because I am so fed up of the abuse that some people feel it is acceptable to hurl at Tory voters. I have never called anyone stupid, ignorant, scum etc because they vote in a certain way.

@BunsyGirl

You crack on and be offended.

I'd be ashamed if I'd have voted Tory 🤷🏼‍♀️

Scotland absolutely did not give BJ a "massive mandate"

And people wonder why the not at all "United Kingdom" is on its last legs

People, including BJ, forget this important point.

66% of tory party members voted for BJ to be party leader and hence PM.

The majority of the British people did not vote for BJ or the Tory Party in the last general election; only 44% voted for the tories.

We saw the danger of this type of commentary with brexit. Insulting people who feel differently to you just means they don't talk to you about things. People vote Tory, Labour, liberal for a myriad reasons. For some it's loyalty, across all parties. For others they have specific reasons at different times.

This polarisation and offensive name calling is the biggest downfall of politics. Labour calling conservatives "scum", their members calling people who think differently ignorant and pig headed, do nothing to make me think they have a hole in hell of being the adults in the room if they were expected to govern a whole country, including those who have different beliefs and wants than they do.

Yet us Tory voters aren't called Labour voters ignorant. I'm respectful of your right to have a different view.

It's really bizarre that some left wing people seem to think there's a 'good' and 'evil' or 'right' and 'wrong' party. There isn't. I would never vote Labour, just as I doubt you'll ever vote Conservative?

I have issues with past Labour governments, particularly over the death of David Kelly and the WMD intelligence. Leaders are flawed, as are parties.

But I'm not going to resort to name calling as it's unnecessary and, frankly, quite offensive. It's good that we have the right to vote (especially as women) and the freedom to choose the party as we see fit.

Thus proving my point..."

@MsMarvellous @brown543 I never said where I stood politically, your assumption that I'm a labour voter is entirely that.

You can call left voters whatever you like, it's of no consequence to me, just as it is no consequence the other way around. If you're wildly offended by someone calling you ignorant for your voting choice then that's up to you to either shrug it off or defend that choice. Most people would struggle with the latter.

@daisyjgrey so you would be ashamed for voting for Sir David Amess? A hugely respected politician who dedicated his life to serving his community until the day he was murdered. There are huge numbers of policitians like him, on both sides of the House. They don’t deserve to be described as scum and neither do the people who vote for them.

The only justification I've heard from Tory voters is 'but Labour would be worse '. There is no evidence given, just opinion stated as fact. No comments on policy to make our lives better, just 'it would be worse '.

I am not a natural Labour supporter. But notice that Corbyn is a decent man. And barely ever resorted to cheap jibes. Meanwhile Gove and all ran a vile campaign. With plenty of demonisation and name calling. And they are still at it, look at Zahawi's recent letter. The Tories never present a constructive coherent campaign. You are pushed to find anything particularly positive. I understand that this could all be a part of the art of war but it never paints these politicians in a good light. The Tories have completely screwed Britain - to the point I think it's pretty hopeless and almost irreversible. It will take decades to repair. If I had the means and was younger I would certainly try and leave the UK.

@BunsyGirl

An anti-abortion Tory? Yes. His death is tragic, and I'd say that about (almost) anyone, regardless of their politics.

Thankfully I'm able to separate emotive deaths from political opinions.

I don't really know what thread you're attempting to pull at here either. I don't care whether you're offended or not that I think you're a berk for voting Tory. Why do you care what I think?

Also, I never said 'scum', you did.

@Jason118 Quite. There seems to be very little defence and a lot of offence 🤷🏼‍♀️

You can call left voters whatever you like, it's of no consequence to me, just as it is no consequence the other way around. If you're wildly offended by someone calling you ignorant for your voting choice then that's up to you to either shrug it off or defend that choice. Most people would struggle with the latter.

But, given the offensive remarks made by a number of people on this thread and others on MN, why do you think that Conservative voters would want to engage in defending their choice?

I agree with you that a rational debate on different political views is a good thing. The name calling and veiled insults directed at Conservative voters prevents this being a forum for rational debate.

I have valid reasons as to why I vote Conservative. I can respect that you have the same for whatever party you vote for. I, and others, have explained our views on numerous threads which descended into the same vein.

I doubt too many of us can be bothered to engage which is a shame as it makes MN into a political echo chamber at times. Yet the fact that the Conservatives have a large majority tells you that plenty of others voted the same way, whether they'll admit to it or not. And with that, I'll leave you all to it.

That makes the insult ok then 🙄

@daisyjgrey and once again, you use offensive language about me. I don’t care what you think about me but I have had enough with people abusing others for having a different point of view to them. Sir David Amess may have had a different view on abortion to me but I respect those views. I respect the way he worked for his constituency and campaigned for the better treatment of animals even more. I personally could never have an abortion. However, I don’t abuse or criticise those of my friends that have had abortions. The same principal applies with politics. Do not abuse people for their views. If you do not agree with them, explain why you have a different view. You will
not make them change their position by calling them names.

I don't much care for your attitude, OP.

@BunsyGirl What on earth makes you think my aim is to get you to change your mind? If a few comments in a mumsnet thread make you shift your entire political stance then it was on questionable ground to begin with.

The irony that you continue to be so easily offended and have 'had enough of people abusing others' and yet merrily vote Tory as absolutely top drawer by the way.

For the record, I don't have any respect for the opinion of anyone who thinks they have a say over a woman having an abortion; man, woman, left, right, titled or not.

@daisyjgrey so you only call people names on Mumsnet?!! When the deputy leader of a major policitcal party thinks it is acceptable to be abusive to people for voting for another party, I will defend my right to vote for whom I wish without being called names. I will defend that right on Mumsnet and in any other place that I see fit.

Quite right @BunsyGirl

Oh yes, quite right, they just abuse people for being poor or the wrong colour or from the wrong country or who don't have the right education or who are disabled. But for voting for the opposite side? Now THAT would be beyond the pale! 😱