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Did you vote Tory? Did you hand BJ 'a colossal mandate'?

57 replies

Fordian · 06/07/2022 23:05

Do you feel you did?

Now. An aside. I think anyone who voted Leave but then didn't vote Tory is a charlatan. You wanted this, own this, support this.

If you either didn't vote, or voted other, shame on you. Where is your loyalty? Certainty in your conviction?

Yes, yes, we all know where this lead.

But your PM is citing you, the 14m, as being his mandate.

How do you feel about that?

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Notmanybroadbeans · 06/07/2022 23:12

I didn't vote Tory. However, if I had - or if the party I had voted for was in power and the leader was trying this line - I'd still be appalled at the creeping presidentialism, the arrogant brushing away of our democratic systems. We vote for our MPs not for our Prime Ministers. This isn't America. He needs to get over himself. Either go, or admit he just doesn't want to.

EddieHowesBlackandWhiteArmy · 06/07/2022 23:13

Did I fuck. To all of the above.

Fushiadreams · 06/07/2022 23:15

Yes I did and I think for brexit, Ukraine and Covid he got the job done better than anyone else who was available would have, however I’m dismayed at his lack of moral fibre.

Fushiadreams · 06/07/2022 23:15

Sorry and I voted to stay,

Fordian · 07/07/2022 20:56

Fushiadreams · 06/07/2022 23:15

Yes I did and I think for brexit, Ukraine and Covid he got the job done better than anyone else who was available would have, however I’m dismayed at his lack of moral fibre.

Can you elucidate what he did for those things?

Is Brexit 'done' or do we now have the lowest-bar Russia growth rate in Europe?

Ukraine? Hopping on a plane every time there's a domestic scandal to bury?

Covid? One of the highest death rates in the world, and locking down at least 7-10 days too late; no PPE and what there was procured from mates and sub par. Where did that money go?🤔

Sorry, not seeing it.

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BruceAndNosh · 07/07/2022 20:58

Boris does not have a 14 million majority mandate.
The Tories have.

He has a weaselly 7000 majority in Uxbridge, that's all.

Ihaveamagicwand · 07/07/2022 21:05

No quite the contrary. Could never vote for a political party which thought BJ was a suitable leader. No to Brexit too I’m afraid.

PigletJohn · 08/07/2022 19:23

his erstwhile supporters and underlings are queuing up to castigate him for dishonesty, lying and incompetence, and proclaim that he is not fit to lead a party or a nation.

it's very odd that, after working with him and under him for years, almost none of them noticed it until the past couple of weeks.

Perhaps they hope we will believe it.

bellac11 · 08/07/2022 19:25

Ha! Good luck OP, Ive noticed over the last few years no one admits to voting Tory or for Brexit. At least its good theyve actually got some sort of conscience to be ashamed.

Crankley · 08/07/2022 19:37

No shame here, I voted for both and would do so again. The reason Tory/Leave voters have stopped posting on here is because MN is full of woke left wingers and Remainers who can't get over having lost the referendum and having a Labour Party incapable of even being an effective Opposition Party.

Boris was a centrist and whoever replaces him will likely be more right wing which will really give you something to cry about. I look forward to it and will enjoy reading all your posts of doom.

TheHateIsNotGood · 08/07/2022 23:01

I know I voted Tory in the last GE not to get Brexit 'done', but to get Parliament off it's 'hamster wheel' of continuing to argue about it. Which the British people were subjected to for as long as the Covid Pandemic, possibly even longer.

And yes I did vote to Leave and yes I have no allegiances to any political party because I hugely dislike Party Politics and always have.

I really would like to vote Labour in the next GE, but a Leadership change would be essential - Bishop Starmer just sends me to sleep - just another son of privilege is all I see.

Yeahreally · 10/07/2022 16:22

@TheHateIsNotGood - in terms of background, Starmer is actually one of the least privileged MPs currently in the Commons. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer - his mum was a nurse and dad a toolmaker.
Don't be fooled by the knighthood - it was earned from his previously being the Director of Public Protections (head of criminal prosecution service) prior to his political career. So you could say he's a little more qualified than the real "sons of privilege" to run the country.
Fwiw, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he's has more integrity, experience and intelligence than any of the umpteen candidates currently throwing the hat into the ring to replace Alexander Johnson.

brown543 · 10/07/2022 16:39

bellac11 · 08/07/2022 19:25

Ha! Good luck OP, Ive noticed over the last few years no one admits to voting Tory or for Brexit. At least its good theyve actually got some sort of conscience to be ashamed.

I freely admit to voting for both.

TheHateIsNotGood · 10/07/2022 16:49

I don't disagree with you yeahreally.

NightmareSlashDelightful · 10/07/2022 16:53

This concept of a ‘personal mandate’ is fundamentally undemocratic at a national level. Once again, he tries to subvert and ignore the entire parliamentary system to argue for his own advantage.

To steal a phrase…
For the love of god, man — go.

ProfessorFusspot · 10/07/2022 17:00

I think anyone who voted Leave but then didn't vote Tory is a charlatan. You wanted this, own this, support this.

Disagree; there was no clear plan for leaving the EU before the referendum happened. In my opinion this was enough reason to vote against it, but I'm sure there were many people who voted to leave and continued to believe the UK should leave the EU ("be like Norway!" "be like Switzerland!"), but did not support Boris's Headbanger Brexit. Voters have to have a right to put on the brakes or change course when it becomes clear things aren't working as expected, otherwise we could just have one election and go home ("we already voted!!")

When Cameron quit, it did seem fair that the party that caused Brexit be given a chance to make it work (although many Labour leavers would have loved for Corbyn to have a go). But even by the 2017 GE it was clear May's gov't weren't trying to implement Brexit in a way that was good for the public, and by 2019 it was glaringly obvious. Some Conservative MPs who supported Leave were kicked out of the party for voting against Boris Brexit just prior to the 2019 election; why wouldn't those kinds of views be reflected in the membership and in the general population?

(I didn't vote for either for Leave or for the Conservatives in the 2019 GE, so not your target demographic, though.)

Draincover · 10/07/2022 17:01

The party was on its last legs before Johnson took over. And it was a miraculous turnaround. But it's because the Brexit party stood down. Loads of leavers loathed the Tories. Corbyn was a Eurosceptic, the party line differed, but be never said he would not carry out the Brexit mandate, rather be would transition with closer alignment. But even if Labour bad won, trying to pass any legislation would have been difficult. And I guess there would have been a party coup. The Tories can bemoan Johnson, but be won them the election via the cult of personality and the tabloids. They had no viable alternative candidates really, and still don't. And Johnson has been nothing but useless.

GoOnJulie · 10/07/2022 17:05

I voted for him, and the 80-seat majority vs the Theresa May GE result would suggest others did too. Sorry to see him go.

MeanderingGently · 10/07/2022 17:39

Yes, I voted Tory, always have and always will. In the last election I voted for Brexit and Boris, as I believed that Boris was the only one who would finally push Brexit through.

I agree with previous posters who say that anyone who votes Tory daren't admit it on this forum as they are shouted down (my own experience on several other threads).

I believe Boris delivered on Brexit (yes, I know it's still ongoing), he led us well during the pandemic (particularly in respect of the vaccination program) and has been very good re. the war in Ukraine. Yes, mistakes have been made.....especially during COVID. Any leader in power would have made mistakes as the pandemic was unprecedented, different leaders would have just made different mistakes. In general, I can't get worked up about so-called 'party gate', I honestly believe Boris didn't view some of those meetings as "parties", I also honestly believe his apologies were genuine when he gave them.

His most recent problem re. ministerial appointments, I am unsure as to why he took the decisions he did. Was he ill advised? Did he think he'd give the chap a second chance? I think he made a bad call on that one. However, given all the furore over the last two years, and the constant witch hunt by the media and press, it appeared to be the final straw.

I find it sad that he was forced to go in the way he was, and that MPs he trusted as supporters turned against him in the end....shades of Margaret Thatcher's end all over again. Except that Thatcher was very rigid, wouldn't alter policies if the people objected and wasn't one to apologise publicly, whereas I felt Boris had tried to do things differently. I do, really, find it very sad. I'd personally vote for Boris again, and I don't regret having given him my vote before.

The problem is that whatever I say will be unacceptable to those who disagree or who see things differently. We're all allowed our own opinion; I've listened to others but I tend to favour my own perspective, obviously....

Those who 'hate' the Tories and don't trust any of them don't seem to realise that there are those who feel the same way about other parties. In each case the dislike is probably unfounded but we stick to it....
For instance, I really don't trust the Labour party, I couldn't ever, ever vote Labour. My heart just sinks if I think about them getting in again at the next election (which is fairly likely, I would say). I hated the years Labour was in under Tony Blair, I thought the lot of them were bloody liars, they spent all the country's money and left us in a dreadful mess, which meant austerity was required to get us back on track (blamed on the Conservatives, of course). I am sure Kier Starmer is a great chap in reality, but I can't stand him, I think he has no answers to any of the current economic problems and I would/will be horrified if he were ever to become PM.

You will say that my views are unfounded, subjective and incorrect, but that's the point I am making. I could say the same about all the Tory-bashing that goes on on here. Each to their own.....

jennybluetree · 10/07/2022 18:10

"First, and it is important to state this, the Labour government was not responsible for the 2008 recession. The recession was caused by the housing bubble bursting in the US which led to subsequent financial crises in other countries.

One could argue, as the BBC’s Robert Peston does, that banks should have been under stricter regulation in the UK under the Labour government. However, this is easy to say with the benefit of hindsight and no other political party was arguing in favour of more regulation of the banking sector at the time. In fact, the Conservative party argued for less regulation of the banking sector."

Link to article

TheHateIsNotGood · 10/07/2022 19:53

Seeing as I have no say whatsoever in who is the next PM, not being a Party Member, I choose Nadhim Zahawi - for no other reason than I really like the idea of a Kurd being UK PM - an Iraqi Kurd refugee who came to the UK when he was 11.

BunsyGirl · 10/07/2022 20:26

Yes and I will vote Tory again. I didn’t vote leave. I am a remainer but I respect the decision of the majority. I don’t call people “scum” for supporting a main stream political party. Unbelievable that so many people consider this acceptable, including the deputy leader of the opposition which is one of the reasons I won’t be voting for them.

PigletJohn · 10/07/2022 21:47

It's certainly a plus point for Rishi that the Johnson camp has vowed vengence and destruction upon him.

You'll remember the non-dom story was leaked to weaken his popularity when he started to eclipse johnson.

Draincover · 10/07/2022 22:10

Blimey, how anyone could consider voting Tory after the last decade is simply beyond me. And those committed to a party for life, why? This last lot of Tories even make most fervent Conservatives blush with embarrassment. So pathetically tribal.

LuluBlakey1 · 10/07/2022 22:20

No. Never. They are the party of the very wealthy- they exist to protect and increase their share of wealth. They have no empathy with the idea of an NHS free at the point of delivery for all. They want to further reduce any state obligations because with them come responsibilities and a tax burden. Low tax= more money for the super-wealthy. Smaller state = fewer obligations to care for anyone in society who needs help, NHS privatised. They are not interested at all in any re-distribution of wealth or social justice.
Anyone who votes Tory who is not very rich is stupid.

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