Would you stay & Fight?

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If you lived in Ukraine, I mean.

Pretend you had the basic same home/family/job/skillset you do now, but in Kyiv today.

I think I'd try to figure out how to stay & fight & send the youngest DC away West with DH (who probably wouldn't want to stay & fight).

Your likely choice?

@BiscuitLover3678

Are people on here seriously saying they think they would get guns and knives and fight Russian boys and men to the death, almost definitely to their own death?! I find it incredibly unlikely when the majority of people on this website (me included) are too scared to even stay on the bus when they’ve already rung the bell? 😂

When threatened with bombs and death, most people want to save themselves and their families. Most normal people are not heroes,

My office was petrol bombed when I worked in a police station. The worst thing was they took months to repair it and it was bloody cold.

I was working in a different police station, we were besieged by a large group outraged that their mates were arrested. Everyone standing around in the main reception and I was told the negotiator was being sent from HQ. I asked if I was free to go and told I could but not advised. I said I was going as the kids would be waiting for their tea so I left. Everyone else spent about 3 hrs waiting to be rescued. Nothing happened to me, I'm not sure why as I realise it was a bit batshit but I suppose crazy women have a guardian angel.

On the other hand I was driving down a country lane and sheep had got out of a field and I hadn't got a clue what to do and sat there like an idiot surrounded by what looked like hundreds of sheep until someone came and rescued me. He rounded them up and got them back through the fence. I would imagine sheep are less of a threat than petrol bombers so not sure what is wrong with my judgement.

To be clear the petrol bomb broke the window and it was cold because they didn't repair the window.

@EvilPea Assuming what I’ve just read is accurate. They have 36,000 women fighting. Including “miss Ukraine” Yes I know that, they aren't throwing the women out but the fact remains that what we are hearing is men aged 18 to 60 aren't allowed to leave but all women are. I'm surprised in the 21st century that women aren't considered equal and also that men haven't got the same freedom. I'm not sure which surprises me more.

Not sure, but know my husband definitely would.

[quote ancientgran]**@EvilPea* Assuming what I’ve just read is accurate. They have 36,000 women fighting. Including “miss Ukraine”* Yes I know that, they aren't throwing the women out but the fact remains that what we are hearing is men aged 18 to 60 aren't allowed to leave but all women are. I'm surprised in the 21st century that women aren't considered equal and also that men haven't got the same freedom. I'm not sure which surprises me more.[/quote]

It's because men are physically stronger in every way. I'm sorry but what else is there to understand?🤔 Don't tell me you are one of those imbeciles who think men's and women's anatomy and physiology are the same.🙈

Women and girls get raped in war.

It happens again and again. The invading army is not going to treat you as an equal as a woman.

War is for armies to fight, not mothers with young children so this is why I'd be out.
I also wouldn't want my DC growing up traumatised.

Type of job I do is be more useful staying put and doing my bit. My 18 year old daughter has a spirit about her and would probably ready to stand up to it. I’d hope my husband would take my younger daughter to safety (though she feisty enough to want to stay and put up a fight as well)
But I’d never judge what another person choses to do and my heart goes put to everyone in Ukraine regardless of what they choose to do.

To be honest we have lived a safe life in the UK so far, so I don’t know honestly how I’d feel or react. I just know as the type of person I am I would have to do something to help.

Modern warfare isn't all about physical strength. Fighting can take many forms. Maybe you think it's all hand to hand combat. Women can show as much bravery as men maybe some biographies of women like Violet Szabo, Noor Khan or Odette would broaden your outlook. Incredible women who fought for freedom.

I would stay and help if I didn't have a small child but I wouldn't bare arms. I couldn't kill another mothers son.

@ancientgran

Modern warfare isn't all about physical strength. Fighting can take many forms. Maybe you think it's all hand to hand combat. Women can show as much bravery as men maybe some biographies of women like Violet Szabo, Noor Khan or Odette would broaden your outlook. Incredible women who fought for freedom.

Women are much more susceptible to war crimes such as rape. You know this. So I have to question why anyone would try to shame women into fighting men's wars, knowing they are more likely to be raped and attacked. Just, why?

Even though I've said I'd leave I'd want to help as much as I could from the other side.
Children get lost and separated from parents whilst fleeing from war, I'd want to help them.

I think I would try and stay to do what I could. I wouldn't want to leave DH, DS1 & 2 who are of an age who would be made to stay. So I'd probably send DS3 age 15 with adult DD to a safe border and hope for the best.

I'm a fat menopausal woman who can't walk to the bus stop without getting out of breath so what use I'd be I'm not sure. Maybe I could volunteer in a hospital or something?

@LauriePartridge4Eva Men's wars? So you think granddad is claiming the war? People get hurt in wars, men and women. Women are also vulnerable as refugees, maybe they'd be in just as much danger.

The question remains why would women have the right to leave but 18 year old kids and old men would have to stay. It isn't about shaming women, it is about men having an equal right to decide to leave or fight.

You seem a bit fixated on rape, being killed or tortured isn't much fun either you know.

Not having young children so yes I would.

[quote ancientgran]@LauriePartridge4Eva Men's wars? So you think granddad is claiming the war? People get hurt in wars, men and women. Women are also vulnerable as refugees, maybe they'd be in just as much danger.

The question remains why would women have the right to leave but 18 year old kids and old men would have to stay. It isn't about shaming women, it is about men having an equal right to decide to leave or fight.

You seem a bit fixated on rape, being killed or tortured isn't much fun either you know.[/quote]

Are you really asking why men are being asked to stay and fight rather than women? You can't be this stupid. NO ONE can be this stupid.🙄

Modern warfare isn't all about physical strength. Fighting can take many forms. Maybe you think it's all hand to hand combat.

From what I am seeing, the war in Ukraine is very much hand to hand combat.

If I didn't have children absolutely, I wanted to join the RAF at 16 but my mum wouldn't allow it, She was scared I'd be drafted to Iraq, Still kick myself to this day about it.
I'd absolutely stay and fight it's not even a question in my mind, I'm so angry at the thought of the innocent people having their whole lives stripped away because one power mad fool can't just accept that the world won't bend to his will.

@ancientgran stop trying to make a fucking tiresome point about sexism, or feminism or some agenda you have.

It's repulsive.

Those that are staying and fighting. My god they are brave, so so brave.

^This. 100%.

And also bravery in a different way shown by the Russians in Russia protesting against this because they will be harmed for doing that.

I have no idea if it came to a need to fight, in reality what I would do. And I pray to God that it never ever does come to it, much like the Ukrainians under this devastating attack must have also prayed. It’s unthinkable to just invade another country- yet it’s happening right now and ordinary people’s lives are being devastated by it. I can’t stop thinking about it.

There’s not a safe way out of this for anyone and the ripples of it will be felt all over the world, even though globally most people will (please God) not be close to any fighting.

I'm disabled but I'm sure I could be helping making molotov cocktails or manning phones in rescue or rest centres.

would head to the care home in which my mother lives & help out there.
Maybe we would be asked to defend it. More likely there could be a shortage of staff so they would need the help.

[quote MrsTerryPratchett]@ancientgran stop trying to make a fucking tiresome point about sexism, or feminism or some agenda you have.

It's repulsive.[/quote]
Do you always have issues with people having a different opinion to you? Maybe you could stop being so fucking tiresome. Women aren't some fragile little creatures and can fight, have a look at our armed forces, plenty of women doing vital work either on the front line on in support roles.

@Zazdar

Modern warfare isn't all about physical strength. Fighting can take many forms. Maybe you think it's all hand to hand combat.

From what I am seeing, the war in Ukraine is very much hand to hand combat.

You haven't noticed the guns, bombs, missiles then.

@LauriePartridge4Eva Are you really asking why men are being asked to stay and fight rather than women? You can't be this stupid. NO ONE can be this stupid.

No I'm not asking that, I'm asking why men and women aren't being asked the same thing, either to stay and fight voluntarily or both being told to stay and fight.

Hope that helps you understand.

No I'm unable to fight. I think I would let my parents take the DC as Dp would have to fight and I would just stay. As I am unable to walk far at all so I'd just be a burden