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Would you stay & Fight?

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ragged · 26/02/2022 15:50

If you lived in Ukraine, I mean.

Pretend you had the basic same home/family/job/skillset you do now, but in Kyiv today.

I think I'd try to figure out how to stay & fight & send the youngest DC away West with DH (who probably wouldn't want to stay & fight).

Your likely choice?

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EngTech · 26/02/2022 16:16

There comes a time when you have a choice

Fight or stay on your knees and be told what to do by others as you did not stand and fight earlier

History teaches us that appeasement does not work I.e. 1938 and look what happened to Europe when WW2 finished 😔

ancientgran · 26/02/2022 16:17

I was a bit surprised when I heard that women could leave but men between 18 and 60 had to stay and fight. Are feminists outraged, I mean a healthy woman in her 20s, 30s or 40s leaving and old men and boys fighting, it doesn't sit right with me.

Mind you I'm female and closer to 70 and I'd fight, I could make a molotov cocktail or fire a gun, OK my aim might not be great but I think they'd get the message.

TillyTopper · 26/02/2022 16:21

No, I'd run. No country is worth that amount of crap or the lives of my family or me.

EvilPea · 26/02/2022 16:22

@ancientgran

I was a bit surprised when I heard that women could leave but men between 18 and 60 had to stay and fight. Are feminists outraged, I mean a healthy woman in her 20s, 30s or 40s leaving and old men and boys fighting, it doesn't sit right with me.

Mind you I'm female and closer to 70 and I'd fight, I could make a molotov cocktail or fire a gun, OK my aim might not be great but I think they'd get the message.

There are plenty of women who have stayed and fought. There’s a female MP who is pictured with a Kalashnikov.

I think the women are being allowed to go due to the caring roles. It’s easier to just stop the men and pull them to fight than try and gauge a caring responsibility situation for a woman.

ancientgran · 26/02/2022 16:22

So where does it stop? Eventually does Putin run everyone off the face of the earth.

EvilPea · 26/02/2022 16:24

@ancientgran

So where does it stop? Eventually does Putin run everyone off the face of the earth.
In a world where you are nasty enough to run an old man’s car over with a tank. A lot of people will be too scared to stand up to you.
Thereisnolight · 26/02/2022 16:24

@TillyTopper

No, I'd run. No country is worth that amount of crap or the lives of my family or me.
Absolutely Tilly. Keeping the men there literally as prisoners is so horrifying. Many of them have zero interest in being amateur cannon fodder, nor even care who is in government, hard as that may be for the media here to believe.
ancientgran · 26/02/2022 16:25

There are plenty of women who have stayed and fought.
There’s a female MP who is pictured with a Kalashnikov. And they had a choice, the men haven't got a choice.

I think the women are being allowed to go due to the caring roles. It’s easier to just stop the men and pull them to fight than try and gauge a caring responsibility situation for a woman. So all women are carers and no men are? I think if women are leaving with children or a vulnerable adult that's fair enough but I think that would be fair enough for a man as well. If they can turn men back they could turn lone women back.

It's sexist isn't it, pure and simple.

picklemewalnuts · 26/02/2022 16:26

I think I would- my three men are fighting age, so there's no point trying to get away on my own. To be honest, I'd either follow them and back them up somehow, or I'd find another way to support- looking after people who need help, cooking, nursing. Something useful.

ancientgran · 26/02/2022 16:28

Keeping the men there literally as prisoners is so horrifying. Many of them have zero interest in being amateur cannon fodder, nor even care who is in government, hard as that may be for the media here to believe.

I look at my GS who is 17 and a half and find it unthinkable that in a few months he would be forced to stay and fight when a woman twice his age would just be allowed to leave. Some will want to fight and some won't but I don't think this rule is reasonable.

KitKat1985 · 26/02/2022 16:28

I'd be really torn. Part of me would really want to stay and fight, but I have two young children (one with special needs) and would worry about what would happen to them if I didn't make it.

It's breaking my heart to think of the parents over there in Ukraine having to make this decision for real.

ancientgran · 26/02/2022 16:29

In a world where you are nasty enough to run an old man’s car over with a tank. A lot of people will be too scared to stand up to you. Eventually someone has to or what future is there.

SickAndTiredAgain · 26/02/2022 16:31

Absolutely no bloody way would I be fighting Russian soldiers (or anyone actually). I’d have taken toddler DD and run - and if this hypothetical situation is right now, I’m also 6 months pregnant.

Chocaholic9 · 26/02/2022 16:31

Yes, I would. Life is not worth anything without liberty.

Thereisnolight · 26/02/2022 16:35

@Chocaholic9

Yes, I would. Life is not worth anything without liberty.
The sort of Liberty that keeps you in the country against your will?
Partyatnumberten · 26/02/2022 16:35

@BiscuitLover3678

I genuinely feel like there is no hope again Russia. They’re not going to win, Russia will just get nastier. So no, as depressing as it is, I would be grabbing my baby and finding safety.
Don't be so quick to write the Ukrainians off. They are putting up heluva fight so far
Chocaholic9 · 26/02/2022 16:35

I wouldn't stay to fight if I had children though.

TenoringBehind · 26/02/2022 16:36

No, I couldn’t.

I would flee if I could.

LadyLolaRuben · 26/02/2022 16:36

@Juno22

Thankfully we're not in the position where we have to decide. Personally I think it's distasteful to even speculate.
Its part of empathising with the horrendous events - imagining the thoughts and feelings of others
Aroundtheworldin80moves · 26/02/2022 16:38

Since DH is in the Army and my DDs are 10&8... my first responsibility is to their safety. If I could get them to PILs and they could get them to safety... perhaps.

magicstar1 · 26/02/2022 16:38

Yes. I’m completely unfit, but a good shot. We have no kids and DH would be made to stay and fight as would my brother and most of our friends. I’m just as capable of making Molotov cocktails and shooting as they are.

Chocaholic9 · 26/02/2022 16:38

@Thereisnolight - cannot comment on the Ukranian conscription policy. I just know what I would do.

Alisae · 26/02/2022 16:39

I’m not a soldier, doubt I’d be of any use. Don’t get me wrong, if we were cornered and dc were in danger I’d fight like a wild beast to protect them (unfortunately know I react like that from experience) but if there was the option to flee I would have already taken it.

Nothing is more important to me than my dc being safe, including my own country.

That being said, if they were grown up and had dc of their own, I would if it meant they’d be safer.

magicstar1 · 26/02/2022 16:41

My 78 year old father said he wouldn’t go and fight in another country, but if we were invaded he would stay and fight.

billysboy · 26/02/2022 16:42

Bydand Stand and fight !