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The liberal media constantly slating Britain.

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askthedust · 12/11/2020 16:08

I've never felt like this before. But over the past few months its become obvious, at least to my tiny brain, that the mainstream British media is trying to send the British public down a rabbit-hole of self-loathing.

England gave the world The Beatles, The Stones, Kinks; a universal language the world uses to this day. I fear we're sinking down a liberal sinkhole of self-loathing perpetrated by an over-educated liberal middle-class whose only interest is their own wealth. It's our history that makes true British people go out on their shield.

It's our history that makes true British people go out on their shield. There is no reason to be shamed about our history.

Remember when England produced hope and talent? England gave the world: The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, a universal language the world uses still to this day. I am fearing it's all going down a liberal sinkhole of self-loathing. It's our history that makes all Brits want to go out on their shield, not give-up and wave white flag. Okay, we made mistake. As an Englishman, I truly apologize. But we have to move on and learn. I think we have.

Even I can see now that those that pervade the British media have no interest in Britain. I've always been neutral and I suppose as one gets older and matures into a fully grown adult one becomes more conservative. But the constant slating of Britain, it's colonial history, etc. etc. It's really getting to me now.

I don't think it's embarrassing to be proud of being English without being labelled a racist or fascist. I think it's good to be English (British). I always laughed to myself when I filled-out my USA immigration form on the plane, not being sure if I am from England, or the UK. Who gives a toss? It's all the same thing. As a Union we are strong.

England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland. All the political egos at work need to reign-in their self-absorbed personal hatred right now. We all need to join together to form a strong trading-bloc on the international stage.

OP posts:
ZolaGrey · 13/11/2020 11:33

Incoherent ramble.

Come back when you've formed it into something that makes more sense.

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 13/11/2020 11:51

If only people weren't so well educated and liberal we'd be much better off. Ok!! Enjoy your 60s music OP

StellaCartoonist · 16/11/2020 13:35

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TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 16/11/2020 13:42

I’m old. I absolutely support the slatingof Britain. It’s an embarrassing place to live.

The Beatles and The Kinks? Who cares about them? I’m 57 and don’t give a shit. In fact l dislike them intensely as the 60’s were constantly shoved down my throat in the 89’s when l was a young adult.

Britain is an isolated little pathetic country run by a knobhead. I don’t think it is actually being slated. I think it’s being truthful.

Boris😂
Brexit😂
Little Engerland mentality😂
Cummings😂
Populism😂

Britain ( or England) is a fucking joke country

What’s not to slate

Woahisme · 16/11/2020 13:54

I fear we're sinking down a liberal sinkhole of self-loathing perpetrated by an over-educated liberal middle-class whose only interest is their own wealth.

Can you be specific about who you are referring to? Britain has done some great things in history, but many many more bad things. It would be foolish to not acknowledge both, otherwise how would we ever learn from history?

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 16/11/2020 14:03

I wish we were slipping down a liberal sinkhole. It would be a much nicer place to live.

TeenyTinyDustinHoffman · 16/11/2020 14:35

I've never felt like this before. But over the past few months its become obvious, at least to my tiny brain, that the mainstream British media is trying to send the British public down a rabbit-hole of self-loathing.

Which areas of the British media are doing this? Because with all the sycophantic fawning over the royal family (yes, yes, congratulations! You were born!) and the "We won the war" from people whose closest connection to wartime is that they watch a lot of Dad's Army, all the references to the Good old days... The media seem fairly pro British to me.

England gave the world The Beatles, The Stones, Kinks; a universal language the world uses to this day. I fear we're sinking down a liberal sinkhole of self-loathing perpetrated by an over-educated liberal middle-class whose only interest is their own wealth. It's our history that makes true British people go out on their shield.

Over educated? Hmmm, I'm not sure there's such a thing, really. The universal language? You realise Britain didn't just send out dictionaries across the world so that the barbarians could prosper under one universal language (which it isn't, by the way.)
Middle class? Yes, I remember my middle class ancestors. Stupid, ivory tower Irish immigrants- I did wonder why they kept going on and on and on about the British atrocities in Ireland and the fact that their own language was now confined to Gaeltachts. And how, when they came over here to work, they were beaten up in the street by the proud salt of the earth British citizens and treated like criminals by the oh so infallible British police force. It must have been because they were a middle class liberal elite, of course!
Still, I do like the Beatles.

It's our history that makes true British people go out on their shield. There is no reason to be shamed about our history.

Now, I wasn't born when the British grew rich from kidnapping and selling Africans. Or when they allowed 10 million Bengalis to starve or when Churchill decided the fate of millions of Europeans on the back of a piece of scrap paper. I was not there for the opium wars or the slaughter of Australian aborigines.
But, as long as Dave (b.1965) gets to say "We won the war!" He also has to say "We committed atrocities across the world, profited off of them and still reap the benefits today." It cannot be "We did the good thing, they did the bad thing."
What would probably be the best option is if Dave and all the other Dad's Army fanatics learned as much as possible about the history of their country, the good and bad. They are not obliged to feel ashamed of it or proud of it but they should recognise that the reason they live in a comparatively rich nation is not only due to the creativity, innovation and genius of individuals but also due to the persistent cruelty of individuals as well.

Remember when England produced hope and talent? England gave the world: The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, a universal language the world uses still to this day. I am fearing it's all going down a liberal sinkhole of self-loathing. It's our history that makes all Brits want to go out on their shield, not give-up and wave white flag. Okay, we made mistake. As an Englishman, I truly apologize. But we have to move on and learn. I think we have.

No, I don't remember that. You've said the next bit already. I'm not sure what you think you're surrendering to? And no, we haven't learned. At least, you haven't or you wouldn't come out with guff like this. And what do you mean by move on? What, in practical terms, does that mean for you?

Even I can see now that those that pervade the British media have no interest in Britain. I've always been neutral and I suppose as one gets older and matures into a fully grown adult one becomes more conservative. But the constant slating of Britain, it's colonial history, etc. etc. It's really getting to me now.

Why? Unless you support it, there's no real reason why it should bother you. It's quite hard to put a good spin on colonialism that stands up to any sort of scrutiny. British media have no interest in Britain? Anything to back that up with?
And, though it is of less importance, no, conservatism is not part of being a fully grown adult. That said, conservative is a rather euphemistic way to say "genocide apologist".

I don't think it's embarrassing to be proud of being English without being labelled a racist or fascist. I think it's good to be English (British). I always laughed to myself when I filled-out my USA immigration form on the plane, not being sure if I am from England, or the UK. Who gives a toss? It's all the same thing. As a Union we are strong.

English and British are not interchangeable words. I would agree with you that it's a shame that "proud to be British" indicates a racist for many people. Unfortunately, of all the people I've met who've described themselves that way, very few have done anything to dispel that stereotype.

England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland. All the political egos at work need to reign-in their self-absorbed personal hatred right now. We all need to join together to form a strong trading-bloc on the international stage.

God, if only we'd been part of a strong trading block. If only such a thing existed... I'm sure Britania's great leaders wouldn't be so self interested as to take us out of it. I mean, who cares if THEY profit off it, when they have our best interests at heart.

TeenyTinyDustinHoffman · 16/11/2020 14:36

Why the fuck did I bother writing that out? Confused

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 16/11/2020 15:57

@TeenyTinyDustinHoffman I often feel like that on MN.

It is always right to challenge thinngs that are inaccurate. My MIL is a bit like this, feels that 'people are putting the country down' and if racism /sexism / discrimination of disabled people weren't discussed then they would cease to be an issue. The fact that people think these real issues are a media construct is a problem. Many people are instead now getting their information from pressure groups on social media which presents another problem as it is often wildly inaccurate but presented as fact.

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 16/11/2020 15:58

*things obviously

cdtaylornats · 26/12/2020 09:10

If the liberals of today had been in charge of the Raj I can see then when faced with the burning of widows applauding it as "part of the culture".

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 26/12/2020 09:12

England gave the world The Beatles, The Stones, Kinks

Dear God... Grin

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 26/12/2020 09:32

The Kinks were shit. Didn’t like the Beatles or the Stones, they were before my time. They were never my ‘universal language’

I was a Goth. We hated mainstream shit😁 and Thatcher!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 26/12/2020 09:34

Yeah the U.K. gave the world Thatcher, Boris and Brexit. I’m mortified tbh🙈

Donotgogentle · 26/12/2020 09:41

Do you mean liberal media like the Daily Mail, the Sun and the Express op?

If you’re including them in your anti-Britain agenda you’re so far right that I query your intentions here.

bornatXmastobequiet · 26/12/2020 09:45

None of this makes any sense. What liberal media? Why are the Kinks significant? What shield? Who has learned what?

So many questions. Weird.

Walkingtheplank · 26/12/2020 09:47

In answer to OP:
DH and I were talking about this the other night. We couldn't listen to any more of the news because of the sneering tone, putting words in interviewees mouths - and all to tell us the Government is crap, Britain is crap, you the viewer are crap.

The lazy media stirred up Brexit by having Farage on the news every single day in the run up to the 2015 election, then again up to the 2016 referendum. If the public didnt want Brexit before 2015, they'd been convinced of it by the time of the referendum by the mainstream media. But those journalists were surprised by the result because they themselves were only listening to Twitter (not a cross-section of society) and their colleagues and smug mates in (north) London.

Post the referendum they ditched Farage but the damage was done. Now they switched to telling us everything the Government did was crap, everything the EU wanted was totally reasonable. The UK should start negotiating from a position of letting the EU have everything they want, all the better if it damaged UK sovereignty.

The 2019 election is announced. The media still havent understood their part in the 2016 referendum, are still only listening to Twitter and their mates and are flabbergasted by the Conservative landslide to deliver Brexit that the media encouraged. If they'd stopped telling the electorate they were stupid, the result might have been different.

This year we've repeatedly been told by the media that the UK is crap, the EU is great (I should point out here that I'm a Remainer) and they've not understood that the Government would not have lost votes if we'd ended up with No Deal - a lot of people wanted that - they were convinced of this by the media having Farage shoved down their throats a few years ago.

As it is journalist will be pouring over the trade agreement trying to find the compromises (which are a good thing) to enrage either side - with the central message that the UK compromised too much/little.

And through all this the journalists are still in a job, still in a nice home, still comfortable, still smug. They have little to lose. If they talk down our country, eventually it has an affect on our happiness, on our standing, even on jobs.
But they will be fine. They remain comfortable.

TeaAndStrumpets · 26/12/2020 10:03

@cdtaylornats

If the liberals of today had been in charge of the Raj I can see then when faced with the burning of widows applauding it as "part of the culture".
Hopefully not many liberals! But that is a good point.
bellinisurge · 26/12/2020 10:09

You mean like the liberal media ignoring Johnson's promise to Parliament that we would stay in Erasmus. Or the liberal media ignoring the shameful situation where locals were passing food to the lorry drivers penned in in Kent. Or that the Polish Army were allowed in to help them. That liberal media?

And you constantly referring to England as Britain is symptomatic of the reasons the UK will likely lose Scotland and N Ireland. Sorry, Wales, you're probably stuck with us.

AlexaShutUp · 26/12/2020 10:14

OP, please take comfort in the fact that you don't appear to suffer personally from the problem of over-education that you mentioned in your post. Smile

bellinisurge · 26/12/2020 10:19

I love the way the Brexiteers think we are just going to shut up now. It's almost sweet. But as they spent years and years whining on about how the EU and its predecessor organisation was at the root of all our problems, it's rather naive to expect we won't do the same.

wewillmeetagain · 26/12/2020 11:08

@Walkingtheplank that is the most sensible comment I've read on this subject.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 26/12/2020 11:17

The vast majority of the British press is right wing. Hardly

nowishtofly · 26/12/2020 15:58

I don't think it's embarrassing to be proud of being English without being labelled a racist or fascist. I think it's good to be English (British). I always laughed to myself when I filled-out my USA immigration form on the plane, not being sure if I am from England, or the UK. Who gives a toss? It's all the same thing. As a Union we are strong.

By all means have pride in your country (England) and support the union, it does not make you a racist or anything else, no one should be ashamed of pride in their country and England is a great country to be from. Do open your eyes to the fact that most non-English people in the UK are keenly aware of the difference between being Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or from the UK. The Scottish independence referendum was close run. Half the population in Northern Ireland feel more kinship with the Republic of Ireland than England, Each of the non English UK nations have their own indigenous language and many would have preferred to keep their language rather than have English. England has done great things, it's cultural impact on the world is amazing. It has also done terrible things and some will still be living with the impact of that. Your ignorance will divide rather than unite.

Redrunbluerun · 26/12/2020 16:05

I’ve lived and work all over the world, places with corruption, horrific human rights. Places where there is no vote or where woman are raped and nobody cares.
Places where children die from malnutrition and don’t get free healthcare so die from basic childhood diseases.
I’ve lived in countries with horrific animal welfare and violence and absolutely poverty.
I’m very grateful to live in a fantastic country, I’m working class and have experienced social mobility- impossible in some countries.
Very happy to live her! Grateful for our economy, a great business culture, rules, organisation, fantastic Ministry of defence, fantastic NHS.