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who do you think will win the US election 2020?

96 replies

florencesmachine2 · 27/09/2020 14:44

I keep thinking Trump will lose but he is the incumbent and Biden never really excels and keeps looking senile
so I am flip flopping and want to know your opinions

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AmICrazyorWhat2 · 30/09/2020 00:43

I’m dreading tonight’s debate, think it’s going to be cringy....hope not, but I think I’ll be hiding behind a cushion at times!

JamieLeeCurtains · 30/09/2020 01:58

Is anyone still up watching?

I can't sleep so I may as well. I think DS(21) is awake aswell , as he's poorly.

notangelinajolie · 30/09/2020 02:01

Donald Trump will win. This Democrat candidate is worse than the last.

Ninetyseventhirtyfive · 30/09/2020 02:51

I'm feeling that Trump will win , it's an awful thought but I just don't think Biden has enough strength of character to win it. I'm in the US and watching the debate right now and cringing... Trump is talking over Biden and Biden is letting him and getting distracted by it. I'm so disappointed that the Dems don't have anyone strong enough to beat Trump. I hope I'm wrong but the only silver lining is that we'll only have to put up with him for another 4 years! Assuming there isn't a civil war in the meantime!

DioneTheDiabolist · 30/09/2020 03:02

Trump will win. Covid will wreak more havoc on the US economy. Trump will devalue the dollar pissing off China and plunging the world into a big fuck off mess.😖😱🤯

Aquamarine1029 · 30/09/2020 03:45

The Democratic Party should be ashamed of themselves for allowing 4 years to pass without finding a better candidate than Biden.

Topseyt · 30/09/2020 03:59

I would prefer Biden to win, but suspect it will probably be Trump.

When was the last time there were any decent candidates to choose from? I really can't remember any more. It always seems to be a choice between one pile of shit or another one?

mayflowerapplepie · 30/09/2020 04:23

I want Biden to win as no one could be as bad as Trump and he appears aware that he is just a caretaker until the shit storm that is the USA currently has settled a bit. He is significantly less offensive than a number of other options. Bernie would have been a MUCH better option or even better one of the dynamic young women on offer but America seems unable to see that real change is possible

Unfortunately I have a horrible feeling Trump will get in given that these will be neither free nor fair elections. I think the best that could happen then is that America could descend into hopefully peaceful anarchy and then rebuild. The country that advertises itself as the greatest democracy on earth and the place where you can pull yourself up by hard work is exactly the opposite

stairway · 30/09/2020 04:24

Americans always give their presidents two terms don’t they? Even Bush Jnr got 2 terms.

zafferana · 30/09/2020 08:48

Americans always give their presidents two terms don’t they? Even Bush Jnr got 2 terms.

The incumbent always has an advantage, as long as things are going okay, because if it ain't broke why fix it? But no, Americans don't 'always' give their presidents two terms. George HW Bush only got one and a truly shit president (of which Trump is the finest example ever), can and has been voted out in the past.

shesgonebatshitagain · 30/09/2020 08:53

@Aquamarine1029

The Democratic Party should be ashamed of themselves for allowing 4 years to pass without finding a better candidate than Biden.
I agree They had all this time to find someone to topple Trump and this was the result. It as astonishing and not in a good way.
Topseyt · 30/09/2020 08:54

@stairway

Americans always give their presidents two terms don’t they? Even Bush Jnr got 2 terms.
Not at all. Two terms is the maximum that any US President is allowed, but there are several one-term presidents.

I think the two-term maximum came in after the Second World War. I could be wrong there though, but I think that is it.

zafferana · 30/09/2020 08:59

The Democratic Party should be ashamed of themselves for allowing 4 years to pass without finding a better candidate than Biden.

Well yes, I agree, but the problem is, to a large extent, the process by which the candidate is selected. The primary process gives the registered voters of that party in a small number of key states the ability to select the candidate. The earliest states in this process have undue influence, many of them small states like New Hampshire and South Carolina, and the outcome of those primaries narrow the field early on, because a poor showing in those states affects the funding that candidates can raise and so many drop out quite early on.

So for 2020 the initial field of candidates was huge, confusing and full of people who were either totally unqualified, unknowns, or too far left to have the kind of broad, national appeal that is necessary to win the presidency. And that's how we ended up with Joe Biden - nice, middle of the road, highly experienced Uncle Joe. Yes he's too old, yes he's gaffe-prone and no he's not the ideal candidate (where's Barack Obama when you need him?), but he's the candidate. I sincerely hope he wins, because although he's not ideal president material the thought of another four years of Trump is enough to make me seriously frightened.

Topseyt · 30/09/2020 09:01

Just read that the two-term maximum came into the US Constitution in February 1951. There were one-termers before then of course, but no maximum on the number of times they could stand.

BiBabbles · 30/09/2020 09:40

There was no legal maximum, but it was a tradition of no more than 2 set by George Washington. FDR is the only president that had more than 2 which was a catalyst for the 22nd amendment. Tradition is really important in US politics, as it is in many other places.

While I agree the Democrats could have done a fuckton more, they're still a bit stuck in just not being Trump, the system as zafferana described has a lot of components in the system which means that it's a lot more complicated than just finding the best candidate. They need a candidate that can appeal across very different groups. Their major issue last time was they had someone who appealed in the major cities, but dismissed and regularly talked down to large chunks of the country. Clinton treated a lot of the country as her enemy and they responded in kind. Still better than Trump IMO, but I can see why in some areas Dem voters stayed home. Not sure Biden is doing much better in this regard, only time will tell.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 02/10/2020 13:54

You’ve all seen that Trump’s tasted positive for COVID, right? Talk about upending the campaign!

SheepandCow · 02/10/2020 16:09

Out of interest, what happens if both candidates got too ill to continue running?

CloudyVanilla · 02/10/2020 16:13

Trump. The closer I get to 30 the more fucking and the world seems. It feels honestly apocalyptic sometimes. I keep trying to make my home life cosier and cosier but I feel like a little bird making a nest in a tree that a tsunami is about to hit. Feeling completely powerless is shit.

Honor10Ireland · 06/10/2020 18:28

I'm hoping Trump wins, I think the support he will get from beating Covid in such a brave way might see him over the line.

MidnightCitrus · 06/10/2020 20:05

@Honor10Ireland

I'm hoping Trump wins, I think the support he will get from beating Covid in such a brave way might see him over the line.
Sorry, not read the whole thread, but you seemed to have left off the /s from your post
zafferana · 07/10/2020 09:40

@Honor10Ireland

I'm hoping Trump wins, I think the support he will get from beating Covid in such a brave way might see him over the line.
Trump hasn't beaten anything yet. He's still in the first stage of coronavirus and he's had access to the very best treatments at the very earliest stage and literally no one else in the world has had that! Brave, my arse. By ripping off his mask and walking into a room with other people in it, as he did as he stepped off the White House balcony he is risking other people's lives, as he has done throughout this pandemic. Yet more evidence that he's just a selfish prick who doesn't care about anyone but himself.
JosephineDeBeauharnais · 07/10/2020 09:59

I hope that Democratic voters and floaters will go for Biden, recognising, as I’m sure he does, that he’s a one-term President whose job is to keep the seat warm for Kamala Harris in four years time.
I think Biden will win but thought it spurned tight until Trump tested positive. I think it’s game over now.

nancy75 · 07/10/2020 10:04

@Honor10Ireland

I'm hoping Trump wins, I think the support he will get from beating Covid in such a brave way might see him over the line.
In such a brave way😂 He had treatments that are not available to other Americans, he’s put countless people in danger & during his return to the White House he was visibly gasping for breath. I don’t believe Trump’s out of the woods yet.
zafferana · 07/10/2020 10:21

For those who think Trump is out of the woods - this is the timeline for the progression of Covid-19 in Herman Cain, Republican supporter aged 75, who caught Covid at a Trump rally in June (dates are month, then day):

6/24: Attends Trump rally, maskless
7/2: Tests positive for Covid-19
7/10: Says he’s improving
7/15: Says his doctors seem happy
7/27: Says he’s really getting better
7/30: Dies

zafferana · 07/10/2020 10:25

Correction: Herman Cain was 74, same age as Trump