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The Westminster Arms

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DustyDiamond · 21/01/2020 15:07

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Welcome to The Westminster Arms!

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A non-partisan politics pub thread for political chit chat....!!

Please stick within MN talk guidelines - any posts which you think may have crossed the line, please report rather than getting into scraps on thread 😠

Political punch-ups are soooo last decade - ain't nobody got time for that 🥊❌

Be nice! Be respectful!

S'ok to slag off politicians, but not other posters 🍻

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HateIsNotGood · 31/01/2020 10:40

Morning All - many thanks for the delicious barm breakfast - just popping in to say hi everybody and many thanks for the continuous wit and humour you've all given the past year (and more).

Hopefully, I'll be up later, but can't be sure, so for now - really, really enjoy this day in whatever way makes you happy.

DustyDiamond · 31/01/2020 10:42

Angelina 💐

Epic 🙌🍷

Lily - have fun! 🎉🥳

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SingingLily · 31/01/2020 11:03

Welcome back, Epic.

Notangelina, that's a lovely thing to do for your mum. 💐

bellinisurge · 31/01/2020 11:04

@SilverySurfer , there's been some genuinely horrible horribleness all over MN . On both sides. Let's not go too far into that.

SingingLily · 31/01/2020 11:07

Well, as the purpose of this thread is to engage in non-partisan political chit chat, no day would be complete without a mention of Nicola Sturgeon.

This morning, she unveils new plans for IndyRef2. Again.

She will be cheered by the news that the latest YouGov poll shows support for independence at 51%. The sample size is small however - 1039 respondents - and the change is attributed to Remainers.

Just one slight problem...the same poll shows that the majority think that leaving the UK would damage Scotland’s economy (60% of trade is with rUK). This might explain why it also shows that 56% oppose having an IndyRef2 this year or next, with just 34% in favour.

An interesting analysis from Tom Harris on Nicola’s repeated demands for yet another “once in a lifetime referendum”:

“...campaigning for independence is a central part of her job and if Sturgeon didn’t regularly demand a referendum, she would be replaced as leader of the SNP. The justification for demanding a rerun plebiscite is less important than the imperative of demanding one.

But the timing is just as – perhaps even more – crucial. With Brexit will come a swathe of new powers for the Scottish Parliament in areas that are already devolved: fishing, agriculture and the environment, for example – powers that have, until now, been wielded by Brussels. SNP strategy has so far been to deny that Scotland will derive any benefit at all from our departure from the European Union; when the prospect of Westminster temporarily holding on to some repatriated powers until a UK-wide regulation regime could be devised, nationalists started using the term “power grab” in order to give the impression that Scotland was being betrayed by the evil Brexit-loving Tories.

But new powers are heading in Holyrood’s direction anyway – a lot of new powers and responsibilities. Scottish ministers also fear that Boris Johnson will keep his promise to fishing communities and negotiate an end to Britain’s participation in the hated Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) by the end of this year. This would indeed be a cause for panic: how could the SNP demand independence and joining the EU when it would mean taking the Scottish fishing industry back into the CFP? In any future independence referendum, how would SNP ministers explain their preference for fishing and agriculture to be run from Brussels rather than from Edinburgh?

All of this means that the longer a second referendum is delayed, the more uphill will be the task of persuading Scots that they’re better off with Europe than with the rest of the UK.”

So Boris might be right to apply a judicious touch of dither and delay.

Miljea · 31/01/2020 11:37

I wish Scotland all the best. The Remain vote was was pretty decisive.

I wasn't a fan of IndyRef one, but events have changed my mind.

EpicIndividual · 31/01/2020 11:39

Flowers for Notangelina xxx

Miljea · 31/01/2020 11:40

"No more unelected, over paid, anti democratic overlords. Hooray! 🙌🙌🙌🥂"

🤔 Where does Dominic Cummings sit in all that?!

EpicIndividual · 31/01/2020 11:41

#ClassicDmitri anyone? I know it’s early... 😉 🍸

SingingLily · 31/01/2020 11:42

Never too early, Epic, not on a day like today.

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EpicIndividual · 31/01/2020 11:44

Don’t get too drunk Lily! You don’t want to peak too soon, before tonight’s big outing! 🙌🍸 😉

SingingLily · 31/01/2020 11:45

Smile Teetotal, me, that's why I'm always the designated driver.

Speaking of which, best keep off the roads tonight if you value your life. I'm a terrible driver and I absolutely hate driving in the dark. Grin

DustyDiamond · 31/01/2020 11:47

Dom is sitting pretty at joint first with Nige & BJ - delivering Brexit & a stonking Tory majority

#Winning 🙌🎉

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EpicIndividual · 31/01/2020 11:47

Me too until the end of 2020 now, but a virtual drink is always welcome! 🍸🙌😂

My dark driving is horrendous, I get DH to do it now, my eyesight is so poor at night. 😞

SingingLily · 31/01/2020 11:49

It must be so satisfying.

Election ✅
Stonking great majority ✅
Brexit ✅
Put the BBC on the back foot ✅
Cabinet discipline restored ✅
HoC order restored ✅

EpicIndividual · 31/01/2020 11:51

✅ ✅ ✅

🙌🙌🙌

SingingLily · 31/01/2020 11:52

My dark driving is horrendous, I get DH to do it now, my eyesight is so poor at night

Jeezo, Epic, I couldn't ask Mr Lily to drive 😱
He's worse then me! At least I have a clean licence.

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EpicIndividual · 31/01/2020 11:55

“Jeezo, Epic, I couldn't ask Mr Lily to drive 😱
He's worse then me! At least I have a clean licence.”

😂 oh dear! Luckily for me, My DH has amazing eyesight and is a really good driver! The biggest problem around here (rural), is deer crossing. Nightmare!

SingingLily · 31/01/2020 11:59

Village with impossibly narrow unlit lanes and surrounded by countryside here, Epic. Our biggest problem is that our house is on the direct route of the MacMillan Walk. It's a very good cause but lots of townsfolk out in droves for a hike and trying to dodge the sheep and the tractors makes driving round here a bit of a challenge.

EpicIndividual · 31/01/2020 12:02

You are southwest aren’t you Lily? The lanes are mental down there, I can only imagine at night! We have loads of winding lanes, but typically not as narrow unless you really head off the beaten track.

SingingLily · 31/01/2020 12:03

Just picked this up - it's from the FT.

"Boris Johnson’s government will launch its first strike on BBC funding next week, opening a formal process to lift the criminal penalties on those refusing to pay the licence fee. The consultation on decriminalisation will be one of Mr Johnson’s first domestic policy initiatives since the election - a sign of the importance he is placing on shaking-up the broadcaster and the licence fee system it has relied on since the 1920s. BBC executives fear that if criminal sanctions were removed by law, the corporation’s ability to collect the licence fee would be badly weakened, increasing evasion and blowing a hole in the broadcaster’s programming budget of £200m or more."

You all know how I feel about this punitive regressive poll tax and its disproportionate and damaging effect on the elderly, on SAHMs and on anyone doorstepped by Capita.

SingingLily · 31/01/2020 12:08

Yes, glorious Wiltshire - actually on the Wiltshire/Somerset border. Somerset is approx 150 metres away. Driving here is a cross between luck and skill. John Lewis has a special small van for deliveries round here (we have to remind them if we order anything) because the usual delivery vehicles just can't get through. And don't even get me started on the phone signals. There's an O2 black spot at the front of the house and a Vodafone one at the back. Smile

Hollycatberry · 31/01/2020 12:13

Lily

Some good points raised in your post above. Especially about the CFP. It will be a hard sell to the people of Scotland that its better to hand control of our waters back to Brussels at the expense of having direct local control. I'm really hoping we stand firm on retaining control of fishing in negotiations. Its a real opportunity to revitalise the fishing industry especially for towns/communities all down the east coast of Scotland and England. It's a chance to create jobs and a real brand about the quality of the fish as well as decide our own sustainable and environmental considerate fishing methods. I remember listening to a Wake Up to Money podcast many months ago and they had a guest on who was a Scottish fish seller. They quizzed him about being able to sell fish post brexit and he said he wasn't worried as the quality of the fish is really superior and there is much demand for it both from UK and Europe despite the threat of tariffs.

EpicIndividual · 31/01/2020 12:16

“Boris Johnson’s government will launch its first strike on BBC funding next week, opening a formal process to lift the criminal penalties on those refusing to pay the licence fee”

Now that really is a cause for celebration! 🎉