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Copper I remember it like yesterday. I got up at 6.30 and searched for the result online. I ran upstairs and shouted to DH, “leave won, we’re leaving”. The rest of the day was like a dream. Little did we know what battles lay ahead.
In other news, Irish candidate, GP Catherine Noone had to issue an apology to Leo Varadkar after saying he’s autistic, he’s on the spectrum. He’s uncomfortable socially and he doesn’t always get the in-between bits. Not a fan of Leo but pretty insulting to people who are autistic.

Here you go snippy.
There might be a few After Eights left in the box (not if they were in my house there wouldn't be).

I've found you! Been lurking on Arms threads for years and was perplexed what had happened after the last thread filled up!

I've brought many bottles of Stolly and they're in the freezer ready for Friday 11pm, should be seriously gloopy by then

In that case, a very warm welcome, BMW6!

Sapper Hate reportin' back. Nt much going on out there.

Enters Telephone Box (Red) - exits as

The Most Beautiful Creature On Earth.

Gives Advice:

Be Nice To Them - And Carry On.

And flies off leaving the situation to progress.

So.....Paris is burning, as the song says? I mean protest wise.

Hard to tell if it’s very bad and news is suppressed. Hope everyone’s okay anyway.

The Guardian are reporting about Paris, as is France 24. I cannot imagine any circumstance here in which riot police would use teargas grenades against firefighters while firefighters symbolically set fire to themselves.

That makes Paris doubly vulnerable to arsonists and other criminals.

Horrifying.

Lily ah, I gave up looking at the a Guardian a while ago.

France 24 - just looking at the website- seems very calm so hopefully it’s not as bad I’m picturing.

I’m attempting an early night, unusual for me. Hope it works! See you all in the morning.

A lot of what’s happening in France is being suppressed by our media. I have been following on and off the Gilet Jaunes and their treatment by police is horrendous.
Also, has anyone else seen the clips of doctors and lawyers throwing down their coats/robes in protest of the government?

Night, Autumn.
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Thistime,* I usually listen to French radio during the day (trying to improve my colloquial French) but have let the habit slide the last couple of months (bereavements) and you are right. The gilets jaunes protests are little reported here. Paris has been hard hit for nigh on two months and businesses in the centre, especially tourist-related, are suffering as a consequence of what's going on.

I doubt Macron will blink. He sees himself as a man of destiny. I doubt the protesters will blink either. This is hard core.

Last weekend there were lots of Gilets Jaunes protests across France in places like Lyon. It is being kept v quiet in our media.

If it is bad now, as Macron tries to get this through, imagine what it will be like when EU wide pension regulation comes in, as it will within the next couple of years. looking at the inheritance laws that are coming as well, I hope we are out before it happens or it might pertain to us, and completely change how we do it.

Morning, all,

PMQs today so expect forensically probing questions from Jezza about Huawei and HS2. On second thoughts, just expect the usual performance while Dawn Butler sits next to him, nodding her head and mouthing “That’s right” to everything he says. Even when he’s patently not right.

The last party leader to hold the PM to account was Angus Robertson and he left in 2017. He’d have known what to ask.

In the HoL, Lord Lisvane has an oral question scheduled; when will the Constitution, Democracy and Rights Commission be established. The Commission will “examine the broader aspects of the constitution in depth and develop proposals to restore trust in our institutions and in how our democracy operates”. In other words, halt the march of “judicial activism” (of the Lady Hale variety), redefine the scope of judicial review, undo some of Tony Blair’s meddling bright ideas, and restore the balance between Parliament and the Supreme Court.

In other news, Mike Pompeo is flying in to meet with Dominic Raab to talk about Huawei and, no doubt, the US’s refusal to extradite Anne Sacoolas, before moving on to Ukraine tomorrow.

Meanwhile, YouGov’s first voting intention poll since the GE puts the Tories on 49%, a full 20 points ahead of Labour. At the election the Tories won almost 45% of the vote, 12 points more than Labour. The period of reflection and the long-drawn-out leadership contest are really making a difference then. If going backwards is the plan.

Morning, Scary, I suspect the EU will make hay in the next eleven months with all the reforms the UK would have objected to. I'll be glad to reach 31 December for a number of reasons.

This morning, the complimentary breakfast tray features omelettes with wild mushrooms, cooked to order. Please help yourselves.

Kettle’s on ☕️☕️☕️

Labour’s official NEC report into its worst electoral defeat for 80 years concludes that it was not Jeremy Corbyns fault.

Morning all, and thanks again Singing for both the breakfast and the detailed roundup of the day in Parliament.

Scary, any idea what the EU is intending to do on pensions because the difference in age of retirement and provision varies so much across the 27

Can we sign we're getting divorced in the morning soon?
Ding dong the bells are going to chime,....

Sing.. sorry

Breakfast looks fab

Presumably the MSM are quiet because they don’t wa t protest spreading across Europe?

Meanwhile, the Guardian have an article about what someone learned about Brexit after having a heart attack. I haven’t read it but it’s a good example of a headline that’s made me give up on them.

mummy I’ll sing with you!

Morning. Now that's a great breakfast Lily. I could just manage that. I might have to make that at the weekend.

Walking the FT link is a paywall so can't read it unfortunately.

Morning again, everyone.

Quick summary of FT article...

The election wipe-out was not Jezza's fault, not the election co-ordinators' fault (the report was written by the election co-ordinators, so that must have come as a relief) and not the Party's crystal clear Brexit stance either.

The blame rests squarely on Brexit itself and the likes of KS, ET and LN muddying the clear message about it; on the MSM pillorying Jezza night and day for four years and vilifying him in the eyes of the gullible public; and to some degree, the fault of defecting Labour voters for daring to move away from their approved demographic and exercise their free will in the ballot box.

There's a bit of hyperbole in there but not much.

It does beg the question, though, why should Jezza step down? It's his shadow front bench, the UK media and the electorate that should step down. They really should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Expect reactions to start rolling in today.

I only read the Guardian, Autumn, so Mr Lily doesn't have to. He likes to know what the other side is thinking but the actual preachiness gives him a headache so I summarise for him. If you think the Guardian is an infuriating read, you should try reading Le Monde. It's just like the Guardian but without the banter or the ability to laugh at itself

at your first sentence of the FT summary Lily

Also, my thoughts exactly on why should Jezza step down, seeing as it appears that he's everything they want in a new leader, so why bother? I'm sure he'd be up for staying.

To be honest, I wasn't in the least surprised. The Pewty Nissed Snoring Rellies, both strident Momentum members, told me as much when they stayed with us between Christmas and New Year.

Jezza is the victim of Fake News and we are so gullible that we believe everything reported in the evil MSM. Those videos, those photos, the wreath laying, the recorded comments...fake news, all fake.

I did explain that I deliberately read a very wide variety of news sources, all with different political biases, some here and some abroad, and only then make up my mind - but that was dismissed as insufficient. So I asked them which MSM sources they themselves read. The answer was a disdainful None...they get all their info from trusted websites like The Canary and Sqwawkbox.

I should like to make it clear that they are related to me only by marriage...Mr Lily is seriously considering moving and not telling them. He still hasn't got over the trauma.

PMQS and Ian Blackford..."Dragging Scotland out against her will"...has a new line.

The EU is "leaving a light on for Scotland".

I wish someone would leave a light on for Oor Ian. He's so repetitive that it's unclear whether anyone's actually at home.

I'm not sure The EU actually agreed to Alyn Smith's request, urging them to leave a light on for Scotland. They did applaud along with others, allegedly.

www.alynsmith.eu/_leave_a_light_on_for_scotland_alyn_urges_eu