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Is dh right when he says he can't vote for Labour simply because of this?

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mummyrocks1 · 30/11/2019 21:37

Just had a discussion with DH as our postal votes are in soon. His sole reasoning as to why he can't vote for JC is that he's an extremist, he's a communist and because previously he has aligned himself with extremists and seemed to sympathise with them. He thinks there will be more attacks under GC as he won't be taken seriously and he will 'try to make friends with them if anything happens' rather than using a hard line.

He sent me this article when I asked him to back his views up.

foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/07/voting-for-jeremy-corbyn-isnt-just-dumb-its-dangerous/

I was thinking I would vote for labour but now rethinking. Is he right?

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Hairyfairy01 · 30/11/2019 23:08

Sorry, how are labour anti women and anti Semitic?

mummyrocks1 · 30/11/2019 23:25

Tories are anti-women, many of the things Boris has said have been sexist and degrading to women.

Dh sent me a very interesting article about why people continue to vote conservative despite their austerity measures. I agree with it.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/28/election-identity-money-tories-labour-public-spending

I also agree that labour would stand a much better chance if they had a different leader. JC should have stood down after the vote of no confidence. They are ruining what could have been their best chance.

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michellejj · 30/11/2019 23:51

See www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/labour-manifesto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers

Although the corporation tax is paid by businesses, most pension funds own UK shares and so your DC pension will be affected. Higher taxes on businesses can also lead to lower investment and lower wage growth.

Pixxie7 · 01/12/2019 00:00

I can’t understand why everyone is blaming Corbyn for everything that has either gone or going wrong. Corporation tax was higher under the tories.

averylongtimeago · 01/12/2019 00:05

Never mind what "he thinks" you are entitled to your own opinion- and a secret vote.
What do YOU think?
Do you want to support The NHS? A fair society? More help for the old, the sick and disabled? For multi nationals to pay their fair share of taxes? To keep employment protections, food and safety standards? To have a second referendum?
Right now the only way to do that and to stop the Tory's plans for a hard right government is to vote tactically to keep them out.
For me that means Labour- our local labour candidate is one I would support anyway, I've met her and like what I saw. For others it might mean voting Libdem or Plaid or SNP.

You don't need his permission or approval for how you vote.

Hereismyreply · 01/12/2019 00:32

Exactly what KenDodd said! I keep looking at the bookies' odds. They can be better than the pollsters, as their livelihood depends on being good at making predictions. Currently they are offering odds of 28/1 on a Labour majority, which basically means they are really confident there won't be one.
www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics

iswhois · 01/12/2019 00:35

People get too hung up on Corbyn to be honest. I honestly don't know why so many people seem to despise him but as said you vote for the party not the leader.

I could never vote conservative, sorry but taxes are the price to pay for living in a civilised society. I also work for the public sector and conditions have become deplorable under conservative ruling.

Hereismyreply · 01/12/2019 00:36

OP, have you checked specifically in your own constituency whether it is actually the Labour candidate who has the best chance of beating the Conservatives? That will be true of many constituencies, but there are some (eg Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnorshire) where it is actually the Lib Dem candidate who stands the best chance of beating the Tories. In some constituencies, it is even a former seniorTory who stands the best chance of beating the Tories, eg Dominic Grieve in Beaconsfield!

wafflyversatile · 01/12/2019 00:37

Well he's neither a communist nor an extremist for one.

PigletJohn · 01/12/2019 01:20

The Express, the Mail and the Torygraph say he is.

What possible reason could newspapers owned by billionaire tax-dodgers have, to want to mislead the voters?

lonelyplanetmum · 01/12/2019 06:05

I think your DH is wrong...

I come from a family of active local Conservative party members. My parents used to be involved in fundraisers for them etc.

The current Tory party is now a changed extreme party- it did not listen to the more fair minded moderates. Indeed the extremists kicked the moderates out.

I like a list. The following is a list from my memory (or google) of things Johnson or the shifted Tory party have done. It is shocking:

•	Doubled UK debt to  the highest levels ever of £1.8 trillion.
•	Tried twice to bring back fox hunting.
•	The government ( as opposed to parliament) used trucks to Illegally close the rest of parliament -for only the second time in history until stopped by the Supreme Court..
•	Offered an immediate state visit to despicable Trump a week  into his presidency (compared to 2 years for statesmanlike Barack Obama).
•	Brought in employment tribunal fees that reduced workers’ ability to bring claims by over 70%. Unfair dismissal, maternity pay  etc claims plummeted until the fees were ruled illegal.
•	Abolished the separate Department for Energy and Climate Change.
•	Sold £100 million arms to Turkey (despite its human rights record).
•	Has cabinet members who joined in the pretence that Turkey would join the EU. This was despite the fact that the process wad at standstill . In 30 years Turkey only met one of the 35 chapters it had to meet. 
•	Ignored all education experts and  headteachers  to impose a  new curriculum in schools.
•	Rewarded  Boris Johnson, - one of the most unsuccessful foreign secretaries by promoting him to PM.
•	Increased  arms sales to the highest figure of   £14billion including the UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia to support its war crimes.
lonelyplanetmum · 01/12/2019 06:17

I think your DH is wrong continued...

The current extreme Conservatives also:

•	Suppressed civil servants impact assessments on the <span class="italic">negative</span> impact of Brexit secret (publicly available economic assessments of new legislation are normal).
•	Failed to come up with any <span class="italic">positive</span> economic case for Brexit at all. 
•	 introduced the Health and Social Care Act 2012 which extended privatised health care approaches whilst putting the NHS on the brink by starving it of the funds and staff it needs - examples of people dying after long spells in hospital corridors etc.
•	Allowed UK wages to drop 10% between 2007 and 2017 the second-biggest hit in Europe.

• Sent ministers like Liam Fox (who previously had a dodgy charity promoting US business) to seek trade deals that require US imposed lower food, hormone standards and lower pharma standards but with higher prices.
• Ran roughshod over Scotland in many respects , risking the break up of the U.K.
• Denied funding to schools leading to acute cuts including staff, extracurricular activities and school hours.
• Brought in a 2016 Trade Union Act that reduced workers' rights.
• Reduced funding for small household solar panels by 64%
• Introduced the bedroom tax to reduce income for the poorest in society have to find an extra £1,560 a year.
• Had no proper plans for NI before starting discussions with the EU.Wreaked havoc with shifting plans for NI border without supreme effort to restore Stormont - jeopardising the fragile peace there.
• Allowed an election campaign that puts out propaganda falsely masquerading as a fact checking website.
• By 2022 cut a combined £70 billion in corporation tax, capital gains tax etc yet claim a need to make savings affecting the poorer in society.
• Wasted millions on a ferry company without checking to see if it had ferries.
• Promoted politicians who knowingly breached campaign spending rules in 2016 and lied about this.
• Refused to guarantee triple-lock pensions.
• Imposed austerity that was unnecessarily acute and affected the poor disproportionately.
• Paid £1 billion bribe to the DUP in return for votes.
• Illegally closed parliament for political gain and lied about it.
• Rewarded a moral bankrupt who cheated on his wife numerous times ( even whilst she had cancer treatment) with the top job in the country.
• Pushed to scrap the U.K. human rights act guaranteeing basic freedoms mostly for individuals against the state.
• Created a situation where more than 40,000 primary children in classes over 36.
• Suppressed a report allegedly showing Russian funding of Tory party election coffers.Failed to publish investigation into proven Russian interference in UK elections.
• Pursued a hard Brexit- costing over tens of billions so far.
• Caused a crisis in elderly social care.
• Allowed the first prime minister ever to cohabit in Downing Street with some one the age of his children who he’s not even married to. And some one who has a child he does not even see.
• Made cruel changes to disability benefit.
• Closed 60 hospital units.
• Allowed child poverty to increase to unprecedented levels expected to rise by 50% by 2020:
• Raised university tuition fees from an initial maximum of £3,000 to University tuition fees were raised from a maximum of £3,000 to £11,697 by 2025
• Scraped bursaries for student nurses and midwives.
• Cut 42 billion from the NHS budget.
• Hired Australian political strategists who doctored footage of opposition MPs.
• Cut 21,000 police jobs.
• Cut 20,000 soldiers
• Cut 40% fire service funding.

Even I am bored of my own therapeutic list now.

Anything else Green, LibDem, Labour is better - the Labour manifesto is fab compared to the above list. If Corbyn is a concern well he will retire anyway.

Your DH is wrong.

VashtaNerada · 01/12/2019 06:24

Good god no, your DH is an idiot. Encourage him to read more including the manifestos. A Labour government is our only hope out of the shitty mess we’re in right now.

Mlou32 · 01/12/2019 06:28

How can I persuade him to take a broader view

You don't need to persuade him to do anything. Why not just accept that he has his own point of view and respect that?

I'm not talking specifically about you here OP but what on earth is happening to our country? We are becoming so intolerant of anyone who has a different point of view to us, political or otherwise. We thankfully live in a free, democratic society. Let people choose for themselves, no one deserves harassed and pressured to change their minds. I always thought America was crazy for the way they go about politics, huge arguments with people if they had different political views, listening to various people on here and in real life lately, it seems as though we are going the exact same way.

SpeciesOfSpaces · 01/12/2019 06:34

I don’t think you can ignore antisemitism as a negligible issue that only effects the Jewish community. The historian Anthony Julius says it best:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/11/open-letter-sir-richard-evans-labour-s-anti-semitism-cannot-be-disregarded

There are other parties than Labour and Tory.

Mybobowler · 01/12/2019 06:35

Jeremy Corbyn may be many things, but he isn't a communist. Democratic socialism isn't communism.

KickBishopBrennanUpTheArse · 01/12/2019 06:44

Of course he isn't an extremist. He's spent his entire career brokering peace and trying to put a stop to extremism. As part of that he has met with some figures linked to extremist groups, as did Mo Mowlam and others who worked on peace in northern Ireland, middle East etc. I appreciate some people don't like that but I think it is necessary to bring about discussion that way.

As for a communist. His policies are actually fairly moderate compared to plenty of European countries.

There's plenty not to like about him. I don't believe he himself is an anti-semite. I think he's a stubborn man who just hasn't responded well enough to antisemitism because he hasn't wanted to tackle his supporters.

I also think if your DH is going to be impacted by corporation tax rises and he only votes for his own financial self interest then he's probably a natural Tory voter anyway so it doesn't matter what you say.

I'll be voting anything but conservative because I don't want to live in a country where children go hungry and our cities are full of rough sleepers when we have more than enough money to support the most vulnerable but choose not to.

Phuquocdreams · 01/12/2019 06:45

Labour are so “anti-women” one of their MPs got rid of the abortion ban in NI, which when raised on here on the feminism board usually got snippy responses and a “nothing we can do here in Britain” response.
MN has a strange brand of feminism!
Sorry no that’s off topic...

Goldenchildsmum · 01/12/2019 07:05

As long as your DH doesn't vote Tory .... Cummings/Boris and their very RW cabinet achieving a strong working majority - scares the bejesus out of me

lightnesspixie · 01/12/2019 07:13

He is a dangerous dangerous man.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 01/12/2019 07:16

If you can't make a decision without doing what your husband says you probably shouldn't bother voting.

Scotinthenorth · 01/12/2019 07:28

This is all the times he has voted against anti terrorism measures

Is dh right when he says he can't vote for Labour simply because of this?
SaskiaRembrandt · 01/12/2019 07:40

He still maintains the view that he can't vote for a communist

Jeremy Corbyn isn't a communist, he's a socialist. Is your husband one of those thick people who don't know the difference?

Maybe he should do a bit of reading before he decides who to vote for because at the moment he sounds incredibly uninformed.

Mjlp · 01/12/2019 07:46

I think there will be more terrorist attacks under the tories!

Terrorists are just Islamist extremists. When I was growing up in the 80s terrorists were Irish.

How did Irish terrorism stop? Talking and trying to be friends is what actually achieved peace!

If the tories win and get their Brexit deal through, I can see a return to Irish terrorism, as well as the current Islamist terrorism the tories are failing to prevent!

Mjlp · 01/12/2019 07:47
  • are NOT just Islamist extremists
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